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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 5735617" data-attributes="member: 29252">That's unnecessarily complex, as the rouge class feature says that the rogue can find traps before triggering them - which means that if the Search DC is too low for the method the rogue is using (taking ten or taking 20, usually, although some rogues do roll the dice), the rogue will find it anyway, and if the Search DC is too high for the method the rogue is using, then you might as well have just done that Search DC with the first trap ... and in either case, one of the two traps is quite pointless.&nbsp; Oh yes, and if you don't permit the Rogue's Search and Disable Device to work, you're basically using DM fiat to hurt the Rogue's usefulness in the party.&nbsp; Sure, you can have a trap that throws a person into another trap... but for most practical purposes, that's one trap with multiple components.&nbsp; Traps in isolation are boring, though, and are really only useful as a method for getting the party to move slowly through an area.&nbsp; It's when you combine them with critters that they get interesting - the Fire-based trap that keeps going off amongst all those Iron golems, the acid-based trap among the clay golems, the electricity-based trap among the flesh golems, the negative energy trap among the undead, and so on - traps that are either beneficial or harmless to some hostile critters who hang around the area.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack Simth, post: 5735617, member: 29252"] That's unnecessarily complex, as the rouge class feature says that the rogue can find traps before triggering them - which means that if the Search DC is too low for the method the rogue is using (taking ten or taking 20, usually, although some rogues do roll the dice), the rogue will find it anyway, and if the Search DC is too high for the method the rogue is using, then you might as well have just done that Search DC with the first trap ... and in either case, one of the two traps is quite pointless. Oh yes, and if you don't permit the Rogue's Search and Disable Device to work, you're basically using DM fiat to hurt the Rogue's usefulness in the party. Sure, you can have a trap that throws a person into another trap... but for most practical purposes, that's one trap with multiple components. Traps in isolation are boring, though, and are really only useful as a method for getting the party to move slowly through an area. It's when you combine them with critters that they get interesting - the Fire-based trap that keeps going off amongst all those Iron golems, the acid-based trap among the clay golems, the electricity-based trap among the flesh golems, the negative energy trap among the undead, and so on - traps that are either beneficial or harmless to some hostile critters who hang around the area. [/QUOTE]

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