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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kalanyr" data-source="post: 1797712" data-attributes="member: 190">Err, and now I've made my rant, some notes from me:Dropping Liriel 2 HD, seems wise, her relevant skills totals currently slightly exceed Jack's which is unacceptable.Since the Class Levels/Outsider HD for a Lyseeri are identical, the double stacking for caster level should probably go.In total this will drop her access to spells to that of an 8th level wizard (with a caster level of 14), a 5th level Sorceror (with a caster level of 11), a 5th level druid (with a caster level of 11), and a 5th level Psion (with a manifester level of 11.), it will reduce all her non-spell/spell-like DCs by 1 (except the guarded Presence Scry DC which will remain the same and the DC required to see her araus which will drop to DC 29 for epic spells and 8th level for normal spells, her true seeing will similarly drop to Heightened to 8th level.) and most of her special ability caster levels will drop by 2 (to 14th).  This will make anything of our level with standard SR literally immune to her spells and spell-like abilities, and Theseus will then save against all the non-spell/spell-like abilities on a 2 or more. It also removes her access to some of the more potent alternate forms which I'm not yet finished statting. And while in my opinion Shapechange is not vastly powerful when one has 8 HD and many many abilities dependent on one's own form, I'm willing to remove it.  It will also reduce Mithral-fangs HD by 2 (and reduce his Dex to 34 from the loss of a level up point at 20 HD). It will also have a similar effect on Dojj.Edit- Err and I forgot to note it will also considerable weaken her Psi-Like abilities since both the manifester level will decrease to 14th and some augmentations will be lost. It will also reduce the Magic Weapons ability to 4 levels. (Though in either case this is likely to be completely irrelevant once equipment is finished.)</blockquote>

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