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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kalanyr" data-source="post: 1797974" data-attributes="member: 190">Ehh I figured that you weren't being entirely serious about the overgod part. And my character is still considerably weaker than a mere average Cydian, continuing to compare her as if they were equivalent is both inaccurate and unfair. Heck last time I looked at my notes an adult Lyseeri was inferior to a Cydian and Liriel is based on a wyrmling. And I'd like to point out that 3 x 5 levels of spellcasting is NOT equal to 15 levels of spellcasting in a single class  (See the Mystic Theurge as an example of this Wizard 10/Cleric 10 != Wizard 20 in power). There's also a specific note that Lyseeri with levels in said classes (Druid/Psion/Sorceror) cannot exceed their HD in effective level, I left it out of Liriels write up because she will never take levels in those classes. There are several other similar bits and pieces left out based on scaling, for example the regeneration and fast healing are both based on HD, as is the PR/SR which I'm likely to drop somewhat anyway (probably to 19+HD, for a total of 27). And her indestructable regeneration is bypassed by cold iron which isn't exactly uncommon (indeed with the changes I suggested on the previous page her Regeneration 8 and Fast Healing 4 in total would amount to 12 hp a round and considering that fully equipped she will have 216 hp (192 unequipped), more than 100 less than the god emperor, I am unsure that this is unreasonable.). Her indestructable Damage Reduction can be bypassed by a +1 axiomatic cold iron longsword (cost 20 315 gp), your damage reduction can be bypassed by a +6 club (cost 720 300 gp) I believe thats 699 985 gold pieces in your favour, incidentally the same weapon also reduces her healing to 4 hp a round, 6 less than yours.   Higher Spell-Levels ? Her highest true spells would be 4th level. Her spell-like abilities are based off her considerably lower Charisma (and are in general not unlimited in the case of spells above 3rd level). And her caster level is much lower than yours in all cases. (By 10 for the wizard and spell-likes, by 12 for the others, which means if your spells are 50/50 to work vs SR, hers are guaranteed to fail.) The true spells also do considerably less damage over a smaller area due to lower caster level and lower spell-level access. And also unlike you a banishment, dictum, dismisal or holy word can send her packing for 24 hours. She's also susceptible to Planar Binding, Greater Planar Binding, being Gated and she's susceptible to the Planar Turning/Rebuking ability by a cleric with a 23rd or higher effective turning level and the Planar Turning Feat (not unreasonable for a 21st level cleric) (and instant death or eternal service with no save from such a cleric with the Greater Turning power or one with an effective turning level of 46). A brief glance at an infernal (a CR 26 epic monsters) indicates that she's not gonna be taking it on in 1 on 1 combat with any chance whatsoever of winning, which means she's at the very least well below ECL 34 (4 ECL 34 characters should not be at all threatened by an infernal) or possibly that the ELH is somewhat flawed in places, take your pick.And now that I've said that I'm perfectly happy to conceed you may have a point and wait and see what Sollir says. I really don't care, I wanted a chance to play a Lyseeri and I got one, if it doesn't work *shrug* so be it, at least I have the race write up finished if I ever pick up the Aftermath game.Edited: Length of paragraphs, removed some snarkiness.</blockquote>

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