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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kalanyr" data-source="post: 1798287" data-attributes="member: 190">One would expect it to be greater than any 5 creatures in the MM, the Lyseeri were originally created by taking the abilities of the creatures under my control at the end of the 3rd IR and turning them into one creature, in general terms this means many many abilities but none of them compare to the monstrously powerful abilities possessed by your Cydians (who in their original form were literally completely undestoyable) or Sollir's Tri-Dominatrix.And are you really telling me that these abominations with standard monster wealth for their challenge rating can't spare the gold for a non-magical cold iron weapon (the most expensive of which I think is a thinblade costing 200 gp)  with which to coupe de gras a fallen foe ? (if they are wise they will be carrying at least the weapons necessary to easily maim any celestial, a cold iron weapon and a silver one)  And besides that the regeneration is easily adjustable to lawful (though I would prefer not to since standing in an Anti-magic field equivalent or dead magic zone makes you unkillable under ANY circumstances which do not involve a creature with the Lawful subtype, a situation which I did take into account and avoided ,cold iron was chosen of the options simply because it was the most appropriate thematically in my view, I wasn't even thinking about monsters) which is bypassed by about half the abominations. Fire and Acid as negators are also obviously unacceptable. Oh and given your endless subtle and far from subtle barbs perhaps you would like to suggest a reasonable LA ? I doubt it since there is already very little chance for Liriel to affect any reasonable opponent, and elevating it the point where her defensive abilities are trivial results in her being roughly equivalent to a commoner tag-along (having no meaningful defensive or offensive ability is not balance). I will finish this character I will see what Sollir has to say and then if necessary I will simpy build a 26th level cleric (or dropout) since our party seems to have a rogue, a mage and a fighter already.The Paragon LA was also reduced (to compensate for the other reductions) and guess who it was that insisted on keeping the high and ODD ability score modifiers because it seemed you wanted them so much ? And to be frank for the rest of it, I have to justify absolutely nothing to you, I have no moral or social responsibility to account to you for any of my thoughts, words or actions (unless they affect you and since you are no longer in this party they quiet simply do not). I have chosen to spend more than 3 hours ,which I could have spent far more productively and enjoyably doing nearly anything possible,   attempting to justify things to you, to no real effect apart from finally getting your regeneration complaint out at the very end there, which I will now think about and attempt to deal with, and I now choose to spend no more time attempting to discourse with someone who won't even put his REAL point forward to begin with and thinks being falsely courteous and tagging every post with "as long as you all are happy" (or variants) and/or smilies makes things ever so much better.</blockquote>

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