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<blockquote data-quote="Incenjucar" data-source="post: 360157" data-attributes="member: 6182">My point was that D&amp;D already has 'boobies', and it's not a big deal.&nbsp; It already has freaky-deaky reproductive habits, and its not a big deal.&nbsp; It already has gore, and its not a big deal, why should combining these and saying 'no kids allowed' be a big deal?&nbsp; And with Freak Legion, yes, it was disgusting, so is BDSM, so is Beastiality, so is disembowelment, so are walking dead people that eat you alive, frogs that pop out of you after using you as a womb, evil old ladies who take over your body, dragons fornicating with anything that walks, etc etc etc.&nbsp; Big flipping deal.&nbsp; Sure, you have more than enough info, you have more than enough info with the core book, that's not really the point.&nbsp; It's the equivalant of shoving sex scenes into 'Elves Handbook, 3rd edition' or something.&nbsp; Its there for shock value, hence, why its for big people only, even though otherwise, the book would be useful for -most- people.&nbsp; But not everyone wants to see the pics, and not everyone is old enough to purchase it.&nbsp; While the Tome of Vile Darkness is specifically for -vile- and -dark- things.&nbsp; Most that's in there (Though the stats for the demons should have been for everyone.. that isn't fair either...) is only really useful to people who -do this stuff anyway-.&nbsp; You need to have the followers of the Wyrm for White Wolf games, you need elves for D&amp;D (in theory, of course), however, you throw &quot;Adults Only&quot; on something, and you cut out a number of gamers, adult or otherwise.How many people need &quot;Vile&quot; and &quot;Dark&quot; villians, on the other hand?&nbsp; Only people who think of this stuff on their own.The Novel is of the Werewolf series for White Wolf.&nbsp; Not sure which one, but it was just part of the usual series they have.Anyhow, my point is this (Which you've obviously missed, since you -have- adults only material anyhow, and have fairly little reason to argue with my 'who cares if there's D&amp;D for adults' position).&nbsp; There's no reason WotC shouldn't put this book out.&nbsp; It's hardly needed by everyone, it's not going to make any DMs sigh in exasperation because they can't get ahold of it until they move out of the house and finish high school.&nbsp; White Wolf has done it, worse, and sometimes without warning, and not caught any flack worth mentioning.&nbsp; Alarmists need to calm down, wait, and if they're bold enough, look through the book before they form opinions.&nbsp; The worst that can happen is you don't bother purchasing the product, and you ignore the occassional post regarding using its content.&nbsp; I have a very limited selection of D&amp;D materials (only one of the class books, and my only non-WotC item is the Ravenloft book, which I purchased out of sheer curiosity), which leaves me out of MANY conversations.&nbsp; I live with it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Incenjucar, post: 360157, member: 6182"] My point was that D&D already has 'boobies', and it's not a big deal. It already has freaky-deaky reproductive habits, and its not a big deal. It already has gore, and its not a big deal, why should combining these and saying 'no kids allowed' be a big deal? And with Freak Legion, yes, it was disgusting, so is BDSM, so is Beastiality, so is disembowelment, so are walking dead people that eat you alive, frogs that pop out of you after using you as a womb, evil old ladies who take over your body, dragons fornicating with anything that walks, etc etc etc. Big flipping deal. Sure, you have more than enough info, you have more than enough info with the core book, that's not really the point. It's the equivalant of shoving sex scenes into 'Elves Handbook, 3rd edition' or something. Its there for shock value, hence, why its for big people only, even though otherwise, the book would be useful for -most- people. But not everyone wants to see the pics, and not everyone is old enough to purchase it. While the Tome of Vile Darkness is specifically for -vile- and -dark- things. Most that's in there (Though the stats for the demons should have been for everyone.. that isn't fair either...) is only really useful to people who -do this stuff anyway-. You need to have the followers of the Wyrm for White Wolf games, you need elves for D&D (in theory, of course), however, you throw "Adults Only" on something, and you cut out a number of gamers, adult or otherwise. How many people need "Vile" and "Dark" villians, on the other hand? Only people who think of this stuff on their own. The Novel is of the Werewolf series for White Wolf. Not sure which one, but it was just part of the usual series they have. Anyhow, my point is this (Which you've obviously missed, since you -have- adults only material anyhow, and have fairly little reason to argue with my 'who cares if there's D&D for adults' position). There's no reason WotC shouldn't put this book out. It's hardly needed by everyone, it's not going to make any DMs sigh in exasperation because they can't get ahold of it until they move out of the house and finish high school. White Wolf has done it, worse, and sometimes without warning, and not caught any flack worth mentioning. Alarmists need to calm down, wait, and if they're bold enough, look through the book before they form opinions. The worst that can happen is you don't bother purchasing the product, and you ignore the occassional post regarding using its content. I have a very limited selection of D&D materials (only one of the class books, and my only non-WotC item is the Ravenloft book, which I purchased out of sheer curiosity), which leaves me out of MANY conversations. I live with it. [/QUOTE]

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