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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mark Plemmons" data-source="post: 361596" data-attributes="member: 1287">I suppose this is kind of a plug as well as a response, but it just seems appropriate to me.I'm really surprised how much debate the mature audiences' substance is causing.  Is it just because it's one book filled such topics?  Would it be more palatable if small "mature bits" <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> were placed throughout a wider variety of books?Here's my example (and I guess where the plug comes in), Kingdoms of Kalamar (which I'm obviously more familiar with <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ) has always been written for a mature audience.- The evil deities are EVIL.  For example, there's the Vicelord.  THE VICELORD, THE INSULTER, HIS IMMENSENESS, ABASER, THE INDOLENT ONE, MASTER OF DEPRAVITY, SLAYER OF MORALS, VIOLATOR OF THE PURE, THE RAVISHER, SODOMIZER OF ALLAlmnas (Brandobian)Jy (Dejy)Lamako (Kalamaran)Zohszi (Svimohzish)Larr (Fhokki)Foobia (Reanaarese)SPHERES OF INFLUENCE:  Vice, slothDOMAINS: Animal, Chaos, Evil, TrickeryALIGNMENT:  Chaotic evilSYMBOL:  Varies regionally.  Two of the more popular symbols are an image of a male boar wearing a crown and a pure white pearl impaled on a brown spike.DIVINE FOCUS:  Boar genitals or tusks wrapped in hair taken from the shaved head of a recent convertUNHOLY DAYS:  The unholiest day for this perverted religion is the first day of Autumn.  On this day above all others the Vicelords continuously engage in all possible vices.  Any local festival that presents the opportunity for large scale carousing on the part of the masses becomes an unholy day for the Vicelords.  If the festival is in the honor of another deity, the Vicelords will seek to pollute the festival through their depraved antics.  PLACE OF WORSHIP:  Underground in cities or towns.  Temples dedicated to the Master of Depravity are little more than brothels.COLOR:  BrownANIMAL:  Male boarAPPEARANCE:  His Immenseness often takes the form of a large animal, although the Slayer of Morals rarely takes the same form twice.  In any guise, the Violator of the Pure always appears as an incredibly obese, sexually aroused male.  CHURCH:  Known as the House of Vice, however, there is no formal church order.  CLERGY:  Known simply as the Vicelords or the InsultersRAIMENT:  A cleric’s whole body must be clean shaven.  While in public these clerics wear simple brown togas, although sudden and complete exposure is not at all uncommon.  Insulters wear bronze skullcaps that double as bowls for eating and drinking.  They perform rituals and sacrifices in the nude.  SACRIFICE & FREQUENCY:  Young virgins, male or female, are defiled then converted or murdered.  New converts are sought after continuously.  Clerics of other religions are the Ravisher’s preferred targets.  ADVANCEMENT:  Advancement is granted by superiors, supposedly through meritorious acts and number of converts.  Underlings are generally forced to serve their superiors in all ways.  However, since the House of Vice has no formal church doctrine, each local chapterhouse has its own traditions and customs regarding the rate of advancement, duties and titles held.  - Then there's the RACIAL tensions between the humans and humanoids.- There are SLAVER nations, and SLAVERS, detailed in both the campaign setting and the KoK Player's Guide.- And evil occurs in the adventures, too.  In Deathright, the PCs may end up searching for missing children who have been kidnapped by evil clerics of the Harvester of Souls. Most have been tortured and killed for use as ritual components.And the list goes on...So far, no one's really minded.  But if we took out all of this stuff and put it in one single book, I wonder what the response would be?===Mark PlemmonsKenzer and Company<a href="http://www.kenzerco.com" target="_blank">www.kenzerco.com</a>===</blockquote>

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