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<blockquote data-quote="TKDB" data-source="post: 5878276" data-attributes="member: 6690697">I'm not sure I see the problem with taking 20 on Search checks; if you're willing to spend two solid in-game minutes scouring every last nook and cranny of a 5-ft cube (assuming it's on a wall or corner) space, that seems like a reasonable enough tradeoff for a maximized search check. The take-20 rule was practically made just for Search checks -- it's certainly the case where taking 20 is most commonly applicable.If you want something to be hidden from casual view, but easy to discover if you're looking for something that's out of place, put it within range of a search check taking 10. If you want it to definitely be within the party's capability to find but requiring a bit more effort, put it between the take-10 and take-20 result (including aid another bonuses if you want to add a little more difficulty). If you want it to be definitively outside of the party's capability to find with their current resources, set the DC above the take-20 result (including aid another bonuses).Seems like a reasonable system to me. The only reason I could see for wanting to disallow taking 20 on search checks would be if you wanted to add uncertainty as to whether the party could find the thing or not. But is that really necessary? Why would you even want that in the first place?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TKDB, post: 5878276, member: 6690697"] I'm not sure I see the problem with taking 20 on Search checks; if you're willing to spend two solid in-game minutes scouring every last nook and cranny of a 5-ft cube (assuming it's on a wall or corner) space, that seems like a reasonable enough tradeoff for a maximized search check. The take-20 rule was practically made just for Search checks -- it's certainly the case where taking 20 is most commonly applicable. If you want something to be hidden from casual view, but easy to discover if you're looking for something that's out of place, put it within range of a search check taking 10. If you want it to definitely be within the party's capability to find but requiring a bit more effort, put it between the take-10 and take-20 result (including aid another bonuses if you want to add a little more difficulty). If you want it to be definitively outside of the party's capability to find with their current resources, set the DC above the take-20 result (including aid another bonuses). Seems like a reasonable system to me. The only reason I could see for wanting to disallow taking 20 on search checks would be if you wanted to add uncertainty as to whether the party could find the thing or not. But is that really necessary? Why would you even want that in the first place? [/QUOTE]

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