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<blockquote data-quote="Jon_Dahl" data-source="post: 5879787" data-attributes="member: 89822">That's a good point even though I think such players are very, very few. However such ridiculously super-careful approach would make sense (in a sad, non-heroic way).Personally I hate the &quot;take 20&quot; rule in D&amp;D 3.5. Couple of sessions ago my players raided a small fortress previously owned by a trapmaster halfling. What happened? First they rested and stocked up food. Then they went through the whole place millimetre by millimetre. It didn't matter if wandering monsters came to get them, they simply continued after the fight.I guess I don't have to explain how tedious that was?The houserule which I'm considering is this:If you repeatedly search traps by taking 20 and the 5-foot squares are similar to each other, it's possible that you think you have already checked a certain spot even though you haven't. During your previous search check you did check a similar spot but you have not checked this one. However the extreme minutiae has made you confused and you think you have checked spots which you haven't. No matter how much you rest, you will still think in the same way. If you repeat your check, you will automatically overlook that same spot again, thus failing your 20.Game-mechanically:Each time you take 20 (or re-roll at least ten times) and you can't see the result right away, roll a Wisdom check DC 5. If you fail, you think you have taken 20, but you really you haven't. This failure is not obvious to anyone who is observing you. Repeating your action fails automatically.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jon_Dahl, post: 5879787, member: 89822"] That's a good point even though I think such players are very, very few. However such ridiculously super-careful approach would make sense (in a sad, non-heroic way). Personally I hate the "take 20" rule in D&D 3.5. Couple of sessions ago my players raided a small fortress previously owned by a trapmaster halfling. What happened? First they rested and stocked up food. Then they went through the whole place millimetre by millimetre. It didn't matter if wandering monsters came to get them, they simply continued after the fight. I guess I don't have to explain how tedious that was? The houserule which I'm considering is this: If you repeatedly search traps by taking 20 and the 5-foot squares are similar to each other, it's possible that you think you have already checked a certain spot even though you haven't. During your previous search check you did check a similar spot but you have not checked this one. However the extreme minutiae has made you confused and you think you have checked spots which you haven't. No matter how much you rest, you will still think in the same way. If you repeat your check, you will automatically overlook that same spot again, thus failing your 20. [B]Game-mechanically:[/B] Each time you take 20 (or re-roll at least ten times) and you can't see the result right away, roll a Wisdom check DC 5. If you fail, you think you have taken 20, but you really you haven't. This failure is not obvious to anyone who is observing you. Repeating your action fails automatically. [/QUOTE]

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