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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vegepygmy" data-source="post: 5880679" data-attributes="member: 40109">Hmmm, okay. Why not just pick 1 out of 100 traps and set the DC of that trap above the maximum your players can succeed at finding? You'll get the same result, which is they'll find 99% of the traps and get "surprised" by 1%. Or do you as the DM want to be surprised when a trap goes off? Because it seems to me that from the players' perspective, there's no difference in "surprise factor" between failing to find a trap because its DC is too high  for them to beat and failing to find a trap because it was the 1 in 100. In both cases, they're doing their best to search for it, and in both cases, their best wasn't good enough. The only difference is that with the high-DC trap, the DM knew from the get-go that they weren't going to find it.</blockquote>