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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5586172" data-attributes="member: 18280">Obviously, a newer player could try to play those games, and thus could have the same type of experience.  But imagining that there is no difference between 1e and 4e (for example) requires too much willful blindness for me to be able to do it!  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />Personally, I'm pretty easy about inviting the kids onto my lawn, and I am sure that I am not alone.Funny, but somewhat true.  When I started gaming, I had the Holmes Basic book.  We were somewhat economically depressed, so when we switched to AD&D 1e, I couldn't afford my own books for about six months.  Never being daunted by small problems, though, I simply borrowed the books from my friend Keith as they were released....and copied them by hand.Now, time has dimmed my recall somewhat, but there was a point where it would have been difficult to find someone who knew the rules better.  Back then, in the mists of time, when my mind was much sharper.Well, being that I was the DM far more often than not, no.  That would be suicidal.I was neither out to kill the PCs nor preserve them.  Then, as now, the dice fell where they fell.Dang.  And here I thought that my direct experience was, you know, direct experience.  My friend Eric was a killer DM.  Likewise, Jim was a railroader who liked to pass out laser pistols as treasure.  Strangely, neither Eric nor Jim could often get players for their escapades.  Frank was a pretty good DM.  My friend Kurt was a reasonably good DM, who prefered Basic-Expert to AD&D 1e.But, of course.  I'm seeing "patterns that don't exist or are so faint as to be immaterial" while at the same time dismissing "the bearers of thoughts and ideas that compete with" my own.  How astute of you.  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm    :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />I still say, faulty conclusion.  Either there is a difference, or the "problem" doesn't arise from old gamers.  Take your pick, but you can't have it both ways.RC</blockquote>

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