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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bullgrit" data-source="post: 5586983" data-attributes="member: 31216">My main problem with all of this is the "Old" and "New" descriptors. Those words imply, rather directly, that X items were predominant in an earlier era and aren't present in the later era, and Y items are predominant in the current era but were absent in the earlier era.Looking at my own gaming experience, both then and now, and reading the texts of old and new gaming material, I see that the X and Y elements that people usually refer to exist both in the "old days" and in the "new days."I propose we should do away with the "Old" and "New" terms, and use something more accurate. Maybe something like Hardass School vs. Softie School.Gamist School vs. Storyteller School.Etc.There were softie DMs in the 70s and 80s, and there are hard DMs in the 2000s.There were storyteller game groups in the 70s and 80s, and there are gamist groups in the 2000s.There were railroad plots in the 70s and 80s, and there are huge mega dungeon crawls in the 2000s.Because the things that most people claim are "Old School" didn't always and only exist in the old days. And the things that most people claim are "New School" don't always and only exist in modern days. The terms are misleading. Heck, we can't even agree on what they freakin' mean.But, I realize that calling for the dropping of "Old" and "New" is a insane proposition -- it won't happen. Because I do believe there are some people who have strong emotional investment in the idea that things were *completely* different and better in the old days compared to the *completely* different and worse in the current days. Suggesting that there are still similarities and mixtures is sacrilegious. No matter that some, like me, can play like I did in the 80s using material from the 2000s, with no editing necessary. This means that either I/we were playing "New School" style back in the old days, or we are now playing "Old School" style in these modern days. Bullgrit</blockquote>

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