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<blockquote data-quote="Vespucci" data-source="post: 5593947" data-attributes="member: 6675688">Firstly, you have to understand that Bullgrit has been flogging the &quot;nobody even knows what these terms mean!&quot; horse for some time.&nbsp; (Whether this is trolling or not is a question for the moderators.)&nbsp; That there is an old school movement, with substantial agreement about the kind of thing they're talking about, is good reason to think that the term means something.&nbsp; Further, Bullgrit aside, people outside of the old school movement are not mystified by the term.It is somewhat vague, and I think we both agree that an historically-derived definition is the way to go.&nbsp; However, the definition of the old school (synonymous with old guard) has to be wrong: it says that the so-called &quot;old school movement&quot; is staffed almost exclusively by those who are engaged in deceit (either of themselves, or others).&nbsp; I think you're right to point to the DMG as a significant development, but it goes too far to make this the point at which things change over.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vespucci, post: 5593947, member: 6675688"] Firstly, you have to understand that Bullgrit has been flogging the "nobody even knows what these terms mean!" horse for some time. (Whether this is trolling or not is a question for the moderators.) That there is an old school movement, with substantial agreement about the kind of thing they're talking about, is good reason to think that the term means something. Further, Bullgrit aside, people outside of the old school movement are not mystified by the term. It is somewhat vague, and I think we both agree that an historically-derived definition is the way to go. However, the definition of the old school (synonymous with old guard) has to be wrong: it says that the so-called "old school movement" is staffed almost exclusively by those who are engaged in deceit (either of themselves, or others). I think you're right to point to the DMG as a significant development, but it goes too far to make this the point at which things change over. [/QUOTE]

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