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<blockquote data-quote="vongarr" data-source="post: 7662536" data-attributes="member: 53022">I would argue that the Artificer, if not a separate class, belongs as a sub class of the rogue. The Artificer brings a blue collar mentality to magic. He doesn't cast a spell. Instead, he inscribes a spell, and this inscription is not permanent. Being able to magic missile or fire ball, sans a magical device, is well outside the scope of what an Artificer did originally. It is more than a matter of flavor. A traditional spell caster in 5th, provided they have access to the spell, can cast that particular spell so long as they have slots. An Artficer can never cast a spell -- he can only approximate the effects of a spell through an item. In end results, it may not be all that different. But in terms of how we get to that end result, it is very different. If we are saying an Artificer sketching an infusion is the same as a wizard waggling his fingers, then we are not terribly far away from saying that melf's acid arrow and an arrow coated in acid are the same thing. Artificers are rogues who work with magic. They are blue collar, street level practitioners. They are not wizards who work with magic items, or bards who infuse instead of inspire.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="vongarr, post: 7662536, member: 53022"] I would argue that the Artificer, if not a separate class, belongs as a sub class of the rogue. The Artificer brings a blue collar mentality to magic. He doesn't cast a spell. Instead, he inscribes a spell, and this inscription is not permanent. Being able to magic missile or fire ball, sans a magical device, is well outside the scope of what an Artificer did originally. It is more than a matter of flavor. A traditional spell caster in 5th, provided they have access to the spell, can cast that particular spell so long as they have slots. An Artficer can never cast a spell -- he can only approximate the effects of a spell through an item. In end results, it may not be all that different. But in terms of how we get to that end result, it is very different. If we are saying an Artificer sketching an infusion is the same as a wizard waggling his fingers, then we are not terribly far away from saying that melf's acid arrow and an arrow coated in acid are the same thing. Artificers are rogues who work with magic. They are blue collar, street level practitioners. They are not wizards who work with magic items, or bards who infuse instead of inspire. [/QUOTE]

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