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<blockquote data-quote="Riastlin" data-source="post: 5521392" data-attributes="member: 94022">Yeah I guess per RAW it doesn't work, but I agree with your assessment that this seems rather FUBAR.&nbsp; The PC is not even attempting to gain an extra possible distance (per se) than could be achieved simply by walking (assuming no pit), just trying to do something cool.&nbsp; I think this is a perfect opportunity for Rule 0 to be applied (more so even than in the OP).&nbsp; &nbsp;I think the problem with rules is that it is so hard to encapsulate every possible scenario and its often a lot easier to make the written rule text overly simplified and then tell the GM to use your judgment and embrace the concept of saying &quot;Yes&quot; to your players.&nbsp; To me, the rule is there to prevent the gnome who's wearing scale and would thus have a speed of 4 (IIRC off the top of my head) but an Athletics modifier of +34 because he's epic level and has invested everything he can into athletics from being able to make 10 square jumps, thereby granting himself extra speed.&nbsp; The idea is that you shouldn't be able to go further in a round simply because you jumped.&nbsp;Anyhoo, the RAW will back up a DM that says you can't do it.&nbsp; I also think its perfectly acceptable to allow the player to try it, particularly if he declares his intention before the jump.&nbsp; Now, if it suddenly starts to get abused, I also think the DM is within his or her right to go back and start invoking the RAW.&nbsp; In the cases cited here though, for the most part its probably not going to come up all that often.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Riastlin, post: 5521392, member: 94022"] Yeah I guess per RAW it doesn't work, but I agree with your assessment that this seems rather FUBAR. The PC is not even attempting to gain an extra possible distance (per se) than could be achieved simply by walking (assuming no pit), just trying to do something cool. I think this is a perfect opportunity for Rule 0 to be applied (more so even than in the OP). I think the problem with rules is that it is so hard to encapsulate every possible scenario and its often a lot easier to make the written rule text overly simplified and then tell the GM to use your judgment and embrace the concept of saying "Yes" to your players. To me, the rule is there to prevent the gnome who's wearing scale and would thus have a speed of 4 (IIRC off the top of my head) but an Athletics modifier of +34 because he's epic level and has invested everything he can into athletics from being able to make 10 square jumps, thereby granting himself extra speed. The idea is that you shouldn't be able to go further in a round simply because you jumped. Anyhoo, the RAW will back up a DM that says you can't do it. I also think its perfectly acceptable to allow the player to try it, particularly if he declares his intention before the jump. Now, if it suddenly starts to get abused, I also think the DM is within his or her right to go back and start invoking the RAW. In the cases cited here though, for the most part its probably not going to come up all that often. [/QUOTE]

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