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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Balesir" data-source="post: 6092921" data-attributes="member: 27160">From a purely mathematical point of view, certainly, but this (a) ignores the dramatic value of a heroic recovery and (b) assumes that the recovery requires no (limited) resources to enact.It is only "just more hit points" if it requires no limited resources to use. This is wrong on at least one count, ideally (from my point of view) from two.The first count is that the recovery requires an action in the action economy. Given that you are in a conflict in which both sides act, that makes "actions" a precious resource; second wind takes an action, ergo it is not "just the same as more hit points".The second count is that, if you have "hit dice" or "healing surges" or whatever nomenclature passes muster under the collective sense of aesthetics, then it costs these "long term hit points" to use second wind, making it extremely unlike "extra hit points" indeed.As [MENTION=17106]Ahnehnois[/MENTION] has pointed out in his post that I replied to above, if all you are concerned about is number of hit points then starting hps and second wind recovery are indistinguishable. This means that, for long combats, the sum of hit points available is all that matters, so you could simply reduce both initial and recovered hit points until you get to the shortness of combat and degree of randomness you prefer. In other words, if the in-combat healing is part of the design, it is irrelevant to the combat duration, which simply relies on the total number of hit points available. Personally, I prefer more rather than less, up to a certain point, but if you want wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am fights then just halving all hit points (including healing results) should work a treat.I'd say have the lower numbers as "core" or "basic" or whatever, and I'll just double them as a "module", but that would reduce the granularity available.What on earth is "reality bending" about taking a breather and gaining extended endurance in a fight? Only if hit points are "meat" does that make sense - and hit points as "meat" don't make sense to begin with...</blockquote>

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