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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 297678" data-attributes="member: 4937">"I'm not sure I'm the one with the thin position here."KarinsDad: Not that it matters, but I'm pretty sure you aren't.  The examples you are using might be a bit exagerrated to make the point, but its not like they or something like them wouldn't come up in the course of play.  Also, as a DM, I tend to rule that the PC's can do whatever I would like my NPC's to do at some point, and I would not like any critter potent enough to have True Seeing to not notice that the PC walking toward him was shapechanged into a Storm Giant (or some such).Also, I'm a Tolkien fan (as you might have guessed), and I'm prone to remember a scene from the Trilogy whenever a discussion like this comes up."He [Frodo] waited for an opportunity, when the talk was going again, and Tom was telling an absurd story about badgers and their queer ways--then he slipped the Ring on.........'Hey there!' cried Tom, glancing towards him with a most seeing look in his shining eyes  'Hey! Come Frodo, there! Where be you a-going?  Old Tom Bombadil's not as blind as that yet..."I suppose it is possible that old Tom B. only detected that Frodo was invisible through secondary clues (the ring is on his finger, Merry can't see him, etc.) but I prefer to think that Tom B. (and any one else potent enough to have True Seeing) sees exactly what is going on at every level that it is going on.  If you prefer to think otherwise, I suppose you are free to (you as a DM are free to do anything), but don't accuse me of being the one with shallow reasoning.</blockquote>

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