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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 299459" data-attributes="member: 2011">Bull<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.You are very good at twisting words, but you never step up to the plate and answer a simple question.It happens virtually every time you and I get into a heated discussion. You do not follow the logic of the discussion in order, you just make claims and then do not back them up.You consider it reiterating yourself when you cannot conceive of the fact that someone else read what you posted, understood it, and is asking for one specific detail that you are unable or unwilling to supply. Instead, you get into a huff about repeating yourself. I'm not asking you to repeat yourself, I'm asking for a detail you are unable to understand that you did not supply.Instead, you just repeat yourself yet again and avoid the question yet again.Again, bull<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.Did you forget writing this?"With True Seeing, you automatically see all illusions, shapechanged creatures and objects, polymorphed creatures and objects, etc, etc, etc, as they truly are. That's pretty damn powerful, so there must be something to offset that power. Do you actually know that the object you are looking at is illusioned, shapechanged, polymorphed, etc? No. That's the offset."You cannot claim that "you do not actually know the object you are looking at is illusioned" (as quoted above) and that it negates "Because you are aware of the illusion" (as quoted here).You cannot be both aware of it and not aware of it.We just had this long discussion because you said something, went back on it, and then did not inform anybody.Your actual (or at least current) possibility is #2, but you lead us to believe that it was possibility #3 with the statement you made above about the offset being that you are unaware of the illusion.In fact, it has been mentioned about a half dozen times that you believed that the character is unaware of the illusion in your interpretation and you did not once correct that, until you answered Anthron and Mal Malenkirk late this afternoon.Now suddenly, you are claiming that #3 is how your DM runs it, not how you run it.Good move Slick. You just wasted everyone's time. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />I really do not mind people who disagree. In fact, that's what makes the board cool since it gives you different perspectives.But, when people play these bull<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> word games and don't live up to the fact that they said one thing at one point and then changed their mind, it's just totally lame.Yeah, your DM runs it that way. Uh huh. Good one KR. Next you'll be trying to sell land in Amn. Yeah, we all think that the first interpretation you wrote was actually how your DM runs it the entire time. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" />Now that we know your actual interpretation (#2), there is nothing to discuss. It's a reasonable one.I do not think that #3 is reasonable unless you can explain why True Seeing negates outside of the visual range of illusions without you knowing that an illusion is actually there, but you and I disagree on that (or, at least you have never answered why). C'est la guerre.</blockquote>

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