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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5654870" data-attributes="member: 4937">Errr why?  Paladin is pretty much a strictly better class than fighter.  You think the guy with the 8th level paladin was jealous of the 10th level fighter?  Or rather, do you think that if the paladin were 10th level that the 10th level fighter would feel strictly substandard.  Likewise, speaking of the guy who was the 11th level thief, I assure you that the rest of the party was by no means 'disheartened' by the fact that I was a level or two higher level than they were.  It's like saying that a 8th level 3e Druid feels jealous of the 12th level commoner.  Not so much.  It's a struggle to keep a thief character relevant at any level.  In fact, as the thief, the only moments you felt the equal of your peers mechanically were those few rare times in the charts that you managed to get 2 or 3 levels ahead of the rest of the party.  If the party was only a level behind you, they were generally speaking strictly superior to you in all matters.Mechanically, the only way to be a successful thief was multi-class or dual class.  And even then, mostly what thief was getting you was a few extra hit points, or some semblence of a post name level means of character advancement (in the event of hitting demihuman level caps).  The class abilities themselves weren't even frosting.  They were more like the little sprinkles on the frosting.Again, speaking as the 11th level thief, at 11th level, you are the Guildmaster.   This is not nearly as attractive of an option as you might think, as now you are responcible for looking out for a couple dozen mostly useless, extremely fragile dependents who - as you well know - don't have much in the way of a future career to look forward to even if you do manage to protect them.  It's purely a prestige thing for the feeling of satisfaction that comes with being 'the boss'.  You don't attract a bunch of low level thieves for the world shaking cosmic power that comes with it.  It was strictly a small sideline in the literal world shaking affairs that our party was by then involved in.</blockquote>

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