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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6516690" data-attributes="member: 6669384">Is the point 5 ft to the left of the bush a spot on the ground that you can see?&nbsp; If it is, you hit exactly where you want.If it's a point in mid-air, you scatter by 5 feet.If you want a RAW justification:&nbsp; A spot in mid-air isn't &quot;visible&quot;, air being pretty much unseeable.&nbsp; RAW calls for a 50/50 miss chance with a &quot;miss&quot; being a total failure.We can play &quot;what if&quot; all day long, with people trying to gray-shade things.&nbsp; If five feet from the bush is precise, why isn't 10?&nbsp; Or 20?&nbsp; or 50?&nbsp; After all, 10 is only 5 feet from a precisely targetable point at 5 feet, so...&nbsp; The problem with gray-shaded rules is that the player can't plan an action if they don't know when a particular rule will or won't apply.&nbsp; And an uncertain rule is, in many ways, worse than a bad one.You want a gray-shade where the player can know how the ruling is going to fall?&nbsp; Give them a Spot check to pick out that anchor/target point through the brush or whatever is concealing it from the caster.&nbsp; It adds another roll to the game, and thus slows things down, along with requiring that they be good at a cross-class skill (two reasons why I don't generally include it), but if they insist, go for it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6516690, member: 6669384"] Is the point 5 ft to the left of the bush a spot on the ground that you can see? If it is, you hit exactly where you want. If it's a point in mid-air, you scatter by 5 feet. If you want a RAW justification: A spot in mid-air isn't "visible", air being pretty much unseeable. RAW calls for a 50/50 miss chance with a "miss" being a total failure. We can play "what if" all day long, with people trying to gray-shade things. If five feet from the bush is precise, why isn't 10? Or 20? or 50? After all, 10 is only 5 feet from a precisely targetable point at 5 feet, so... The problem with gray-shaded rules is that the player can't plan an action if they don't know when a particular rule will or won't apply. And an uncertain rule is, in many ways, worse than a bad one. You want a gray-shade where the player can know how the ruling is going to fall? Give them a Spot check to pick out that anchor/target point through the brush or whatever is concealing it from the caster. It adds another roll to the game, and thus slows things down, along with requiring that they be good at a cross-class skill (two reasons why I don't generally include it), but if they insist, go for it. [/QUOTE]

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