Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Seeking commentary on a house rule
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6520959" data-attributes="member: 6669384"><p>I find I've taken an adversarial stance on this, and it shouldn't be that way.</p><p></p><p>Celebrim suggested that <em>Color Spray</em> was a 1st level Illusion spell that could substitute for the Evocation, <strong>Burning Hands</strong>, and it was a good argument. I jumped on it because it didn't do actual damage, which was very unfair of me.</p><p></p><p><em>Burning Hands</em> gets better with levels though, while <em>Color Spray</em> gets worse, so I'm comfortable with my position, just not with the way I expressed it. I'm sorry, Celebrim. You deserved better than I gave.</p><p></p><p>Razjah, I'm not sure how to involve something like this as a "narrative element" without it being a game mechanic. Game mechanics are what happens at the table, so if it doesn't happen there how can it be part of the narrative? I think I'm missing something there.</p><p></p><p>Right now a lot of players find it annoying that they have to take a -4 to attack when firing into a melee. But since they know the risk and the price in advance it's not unfair.</p><p></p><p>If I applied this in play without warning, yes it would be a problem. Changing the rules in mid play is a bad idea, and nobody can play any game well if they don't know the rules or how they'll be applied.</p><p></p><p>In Baseball, if an Umpire changes his definition of the Strike Zone size it's sure to earn some protests, or at least a lot of head scratching. In the pros they play through such stuff (because they're being paid millions ) but in other leagues an Umpire who does things like that gets red-flagged as a "bad ump'", and may find themselves on the bleachers a lot more often.</p><p></p><p>If everyone knows the rule, there are no surprises. Maybe the caster has to shift their position so they can see their target area a little better. Maybe the allow a bit more clearance before they drop an explosion into melee, the same way an archer would. </p><p></p><p>Ultimately, all I'm suggesting is that the hand grenade shouldn't be a more precise weapon than the sniper rifle.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6520959, member: 6669384"] I find I've taken an adversarial stance on this, and it shouldn't be that way. Celebrim suggested that [I]Color Spray[/I] was a 1st level Illusion spell that could substitute for the Evocation, [B]Burning Hands[/B], and it was a good argument. I jumped on it because it didn't do actual damage, which was very unfair of me. [I]Burning Hands[/I] gets better with levels though, while [I]Color Spray[/I] gets worse, so I'm comfortable with my position, just not with the way I expressed it. I'm sorry, Celebrim. You deserved better than I gave. Razjah, I'm not sure how to involve something like this as a "narrative element" without it being a game mechanic. Game mechanics are what happens at the table, so if it doesn't happen there how can it be part of the narrative? I think I'm missing something there. Right now a lot of players find it annoying that they have to take a -4 to attack when firing into a melee. But since they know the risk and the price in advance it's not unfair. If I applied this in play without warning, yes it would be a problem. Changing the rules in mid play is a bad idea, and nobody can play any game well if they don't know the rules or how they'll be applied. In Baseball, if an Umpire changes his definition of the Strike Zone size it's sure to earn some protests, or at least a lot of head scratching. In the pros they play through such stuff (because they're being paid millions ) but in other leagues an Umpire who does things like that gets red-flagged as a "bad ump'", and may find themselves on the bleachers a lot more often. If everyone knows the rule, there are no surprises. Maybe the caster has to shift their position so they can see their target area a little better. Maybe the allow a bit more clearance before they drop an explosion into melee, the same way an archer would. Ultimately, all I'm suggesting is that the hand grenade shouldn't be a more precise weapon than the sniper rifle. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Seeking commentary on a house rule
Top