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<blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 2766579" data-attributes="member: 31734">You took a leap of logic in your 3rd sentence.&nbsp; Why can't the triggering mechanism be the symbol itself?&nbsp; Just because it can, say, sense a victim 60ft away, that doesn't make the triggering mechanism 60ft away.&nbsp; The entire trap, including the triggering mechanism, can easily be viewed as being wholly contained in the area required for drawing the symbol.&nbsp; As an more illustrative example to my viewpoint, consider a fireball trap that activates when you step on a pressure plate.&nbsp; The fireball is set off right at the plate.&nbsp; Does the rogue find the trap 20ft away from the pressure plate or at the pressure plate?&nbsp; Now, consider if the fireball instead goes off 100ft away towards the north.&nbsp; Can the rogue find the trap in a 20ft radius 100ft to the north of the plate plus the area at the plate?&nbsp; How about the area in between?&nbsp;I agree, but defining the triggering mechanism and even sometimes the business end are not always so easy.&nbsp; In the case of the symbol of death, I don't agree that the triggering mechanism is not the symbol itself.&nbsp; After all, you have to see the symbol (in the OP's implementation).&nbsp; Closing your eyes and walking past the symbol is a perfectly acceptable counter (and could very well be the result of the 'disable device' check).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Infiniti2000, post: 2766579, member: 31734"] You took a leap of logic in your 3rd sentence. Why can't the triggering mechanism be the symbol itself? Just because it can, say, sense a victim 60ft away, that doesn't make the triggering mechanism 60ft away. The entire trap, including the triggering mechanism, can easily be viewed as being wholly contained in the area required for drawing the symbol. As an more illustrative example to my viewpoint, consider a fireball trap that activates when you step on a pressure plate. The fireball is set off right at the plate. Does the rogue find the trap 20ft away from the pressure plate or at the pressure plate? Now, consider if the fireball instead goes off 100ft away towards the north. Can the rogue find the trap in a 20ft radius 100ft to the north of the plate plus the area at the plate? How about the area in between? I agree, but defining the triggering mechanism and even sometimes the business end are not always so easy. In the case of the symbol of death, I don't agree that the triggering mechanism is not the symbol itself. After all, you have to see the symbol (in the OP's implementation). Closing your eyes and walking past the symbol is a perfectly acceptable counter (and could very well be the result of the 'disable device' check). [/QUOTE]

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