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Message: <blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 6205905" data-attributes="member: 22424">Technically, you're supposed to make one roll per hiding monster per seeking character. That is, if there are 3 monsters and 4 PCs, that would be 24 rolls (or 48 if you're doing both Hide/Spot and Move Silently/Listen). But I don't think anyone really bothers with that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Unfortunately, all those rolls massively favour the 'seeking' side - because if the monster is hidden from some PCs but not others, the ones who are aware will almost certainly alert their colleagues. That's a weakness in the rules... though it's probably also realistic, if we're honest.As for solving the underlying problem, though, the solution is to look at ways to bypass those Spot/Listen checks entirely. Make use of darkness, invisibility and similar powers for concealment; make use of plane shift and similar to have the opponents make attacks from the Ethereal plane. And so on, and so forth.Basically, as with so many things in 3e, once you get above a fairly low level, mundane skills become obselete, and magic rules the day.</blockquote>