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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 8453672" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>I will disagree with your interpretation for the following reasons:</p><p></p><p>1) From a rules lawyer standpoint, a "Bonus Action" is never actually defined in LU. We are simply told we get an "Action, Bonus Action, and reaction on our turn". There is never a notion that a bonus action is a "small action". And if you do go with that interpretation, than that means you could cast a Bonus Action spell using your full action (which has been called out as illegal in O5e rules discussions).</p><p></p><p>2) The more damning evidence. The confused condition specifically calls out in bullet point 4 " On a 5 or 6, a confused creature takes <strong>no</strong></p><p><strong>action or bonus action</strong> and uses all its movement to move in a randomly determined direction."</p><p></p><p>Meanwhile, Incapacitated only refers to actions, with no mention of bonus action.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think from a strict rules standpoint, bonus actions are clearly defined as distinct from regular actions, so based on the current rules, an incapacitated creature can cast bonus action spells without issue.</p><p></p><p>Now if that seems "crazy" to you, we have to remember that incapacitated is somewhat a poorly named condition. I think most people think of unconscious, which is a much harsher 5e condition, or stunned....which also has additional restrictions. Incapacitated is basically a "minor stun", its more similar to the old 3e daze condition.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 8453672, member: 5889"] I will disagree with your interpretation for the following reasons: 1) From a rules lawyer standpoint, a "Bonus Action" is never actually defined in LU. We are simply told we get an "Action, Bonus Action, and reaction on our turn". There is never a notion that a bonus action is a "small action". And if you do go with that interpretation, than that means you could cast a Bonus Action spell using your full action (which has been called out as illegal in O5e rules discussions). 2) The more damning evidence. The confused condition specifically calls out in bullet point 4 " On a 5 or 6, a confused creature takes [B]no action or bonus action[/B] and uses all its movement to move in a randomly determined direction." Meanwhile, Incapacitated only refers to actions, with no mention of bonus action. I think from a strict rules standpoint, bonus actions are clearly defined as distinct from regular actions, so based on the current rules, an incapacitated creature can cast bonus action spells without issue. Now if that seems "crazy" to you, we have to remember that incapacitated is somewhat a poorly named condition. I think most people think of unconscious, which is a much harsher 5e condition, or stunned....which also has additional restrictions. Incapacitated is basically a "minor stun", its more similar to the old 3e daze condition. [/QUOTE]
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