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<blockquote data-quote="Nyeshet" data-source="post: 2861965" data-attributes="member: 18363"><p>Shadow magic is not that bad - it just tends to fall on the weak side of normal. I think the problem is more to do with the way illusions are treated in 3e than the class itself (although a few more castings per day <em>would</em> be nice). One advantage of shadow magic is that as you go up in level your lower level powers shift from spell to spell-like to supernatural. Another is that spells gained can be cast more often. However, like the Warlock, the overall power of the spells tend to be lower than typical (although a few of the higher level ones can be quite potent, I admit). </p><p></p><p>It is a good class, but compared to a straight caster (such as a specialist (Illusion) wizard or a Sorcerer focusing on illusion magic) it tends to be a little weak in comparison.</p><p></p><p>_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/</p><p></p><p>Regaring your Wu Gen redo as a Witchdoctor, note that by the description of the Shaman in the Complete Divine (not in the OA), a 'spirit' is defined as any incorporeal undead, fae, or elemental creature. While I cannot readily imagine a 'ghost' becoming more powerful (ie: gaining new levels), I <em>can</em> see an incorporeal fae perhaps becoming more powerful with time. Indeed, if the fae realm is a 'spirit realm' then it works even better. While in the fae realm they might partially manifest into the Prime - thus being incorporeal versions of themselves: more readily hidden, more readily able to escape, etc. If they fully manifest they equivalently plane shift into the Prime, becoming solid and losing all the benefits and penalties of the being incorporeal. If they rarely enter the Prime (perhaps only the strongest can planeshift, or perhaps less powerful fae can enter only in specific areas where the planar boundaries are weaker), then fae would typically be seen as incorporeal ghost-like 'spirits'. </p><p></p><p>Such beings would be seen as a variant of outsiders that had notable power / knowedge. Indeed, it could be that weaker fae - unless in a rare location where planar boundaries are weaker or unless significantly powerful - <em>need</em> to possess / bind with an individual in order to 'enter' the Prime. They may consider such persons their vassals or agents (as the individual is notably weaker without the patronage of their fae 'spirit' guide. </p><p></p><p>How would this idea work out?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nyeshet, post: 2861965, member: 18363"] Shadow magic is not that bad - it just tends to fall on the weak side of normal. I think the problem is more to do with the way illusions are treated in 3e than the class itself (although a few more castings per day [i]would[/i] be nice). One advantage of shadow magic is that as you go up in level your lower level powers shift from spell to spell-like to supernatural. Another is that spells gained can be cast more often. However, like the Warlock, the overall power of the spells tend to be lower than typical (although a few of the higher level ones can be quite potent, I admit). It is a good class, but compared to a straight caster (such as a specialist (Illusion) wizard or a Sorcerer focusing on illusion magic) it tends to be a little weak in comparison. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Regaring your Wu Gen redo as a Witchdoctor, note that by the description of the Shaman in the Complete Divine (not in the OA), a 'spirit' is defined as any incorporeal undead, fae, or elemental creature. While I cannot readily imagine a 'ghost' becoming more powerful (ie: gaining new levels), I [i]can[/i] see an incorporeal fae perhaps becoming more powerful with time. Indeed, if the fae realm is a 'spirit realm' then it works even better. While in the fae realm they might partially manifest into the Prime - thus being incorporeal versions of themselves: more readily hidden, more readily able to escape, etc. If they fully manifest they equivalently plane shift into the Prime, becoming solid and losing all the benefits and penalties of the being incorporeal. If they rarely enter the Prime (perhaps only the strongest can planeshift, or perhaps less powerful fae can enter only in specific areas where the planar boundaries are weaker), then fae would typically be seen as incorporeal ghost-like 'spirits'. Such beings would be seen as a variant of outsiders that had notable power / knowedge. Indeed, it could be that weaker fae - unless in a rare location where planar boundaries are weaker or unless significantly powerful - [i]need[/i] to possess / bind with an individual in order to 'enter' the Prime. They may consider such persons their vassals or agents (as the individual is notably weaker without the patronage of their fae 'spirit' guide. How would this idea work out? [/QUOTE]
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