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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6953491" data-attributes="member: 7006">That's a very interesting idea!&nbsp; Were I to run another campaign that had a player who was really serious about wanting a sorcerer due to both the style of play and the metamagic... I might think about re-doing the sorcerer to do in fact what you mention here-- use the spell point variant.&nbsp; And then like you say, use those spell points for *both* casting and metamagic.&nbsp; So rather than two different pools of points, you just have one pool of &quot;sorcery points&quot; that allows you to cast spells with or without as much metamagic as you please.Obviously I'd have to take a look at the points and probably up them a bit in number if I'm expecting the players to use them for both spells and metamagic.&nbsp; But if I coupled this with giving the sorcerer all eight metamagic options from the very beginning... that bonus might be able to offset the smaller SP amount so I wouldn't have to give them more.&nbsp; The only two things that then remain then are the the number of Spells Known, and the spell list of the sorcerer itself.&nbsp; I know for me... I like the idea of curated spell lists for the different types of sorcerers (just like I like the idea of curated spell lists for the different Wizard Schools althought I havdn't bothered looking into that either), but can understand why they weren't made that way originally.&nbsp; Way too complicated.&nbsp; But to do a personal Sorcerer revamp, I think I probably *would* make personalized spell lists for the different sorcerous origins, if I did that I probably wouldn't up the Spells Known, I'd swap the class over to Spell Points, give the sorcerer all eight metamagics from the beginning at 3rd level, then let them use their spell point pool to fuel both their spells and the metamagic.Doing that would certainly change the feel of the sorcerer I think, and might make it more intriguing and different.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6953491, member: 7006"] That's a very interesting idea! Were I to run another campaign that had a player who was really serious about wanting a sorcerer due to both the style of play and the metamagic... I might think about re-doing the sorcerer to do in fact what you mention here-- use the spell point variant. And then like you say, use those spell points for *both* casting and metamagic. So rather than two different pools of points, you just have one pool of "sorcery points" that allows you to cast spells with or without as much metamagic as you please. Obviously I'd have to take a look at the points and probably up them a bit in number if I'm expecting the players to use them for both spells and metamagic. But if I coupled this with giving the sorcerer all eight metamagic options from the very beginning... that bonus might be able to offset the smaller SP amount so I wouldn't have to give them more. The only two things that then remain then are the the number of Spells Known, and the spell list of the sorcerer itself. I know for me... I like the idea of curated spell lists for the different types of sorcerers (just like I like the idea of curated spell lists for the different Wizard Schools althought I havdn't bothered looking into that either), but can understand why they weren't made that way originally. Way too complicated. But to do a personal Sorcerer revamp, I think I probably *would* make personalized spell lists for the different sorcerous origins, if I did that I [I]probably[/I] wouldn't up the Spells Known, I'd swap the class over to Spell Points, give the sorcerer all eight metamagics from the beginning at 3rd level, then let them use their spell point pool to fuel both their spells and the metamagic. Doing that would certainly change the feel of the sorcerer I think, and might make it more intriguing and different. [/QUOTE]

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