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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7165635" data-attributes="member: 15700">I am positive this will fall on deaf ears since it's already been mentioned already and yet the same ol falsehoods are still being presented.  But oh well, I am persistent and stubborn, so I'll try again <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Food:People who live on homesteads and "out in the forests" gain their food in several ways: growing, gathering, hunting, and raising animals.  Preserving and storing food is entirely possible without any electricity or even modern conveniences.  We know this by looking at history and seeing how people have done this.  I've done this.  I still do this today.  It's completely false to keep making a claim that someone living out in the woods will go hungry or not have a variety of meals to eat.  Let's look at an example from just last week.  Everything you see here?  From my backyard.  Literally everything (including the honey and thyme I used to saute the beets).  That sure seems like a variety to me, and doesn't even include any meat or grains.  This is just a salad.  Add in all the various available meat sources and wild edibles, and I can make something to rival any meal in a city.  Between smoking, salting, dehydrating, and root cellars, I am confident I will have food to eat well all year long (root crops like potatoes, beets, carrots, radishes, and fruits like apples will store for many months in a cool root cellar).[ATTACH]86045[/ATTACH]ClothingBeing out in the woods doesn't mean you don't have access to clothing.  Tanning is the most common, and can result in extremely comfortable clothes (seriously, hold a real buckskin sometime).  Additionally, just because you're out in the woods means you're limited to wooden needles and leather straps.  seriously, that's just plain ignorance.  Bone needles are just as good as metal ones, and thread from tendon is not only as thin as thread, but a lot stronger.  It also completely ignores how things like rope are typically made from plant material anyway.  Also, wool from raised sheep is available in addition to all of that (or wool from hunted sheep).Comfort of city lifeIt is a fallacy to assume someone living in the city doesn't have to worry about things like decent clothing and good meals.  If you're going to assume bad things may happen to the woodsman, you must keep the same standard to the other side as well.  Take the city person and have them lose their job.  OR get robbed.  Or have their house burn down.  Or get a serious disease--all things that a city person has a much higher risk of than a woodsman.Fallacy of dangerThis has been brought up a few times about how in the woods in D&D land it's extremely dangerous from beasts and monsters.  I posit it's just as dangerous in the city, so that argument holds no water.  Why?  Because we have entire adventures that take place in cities in D&D that clearly show this.  Not just the mundane robberies, murder, and disease, but the shopkeeper who's an agent for the Red Wizards.  Or the merchant who is really a mind flayer in disguise.  The city is just as dangerous as the woods would ever be in D&D world.I gotta ask you Calion, how would you know what a skilled woodsman would face, food wise?  Are you a skilled woodsman and have lived off the grid yourself?  The bottom line is that you're making a ton of assumptions, and most of them are completely wrong.  You have no idea on the topic you are talking about, and have had actual experienced people in said topic explain in great detail why and how you're wrong, and yet you are still sticking to it.  I feel like I'm arguing with a flat earther at this point.  Despite the clear evidence presented to you, you are digging down and refusing to admit you don't know much about the topic and have zero experience in it so you could be wrong.</blockquote>

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