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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 2859360" data-attributes="member: 1879">To answer my own question...  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> I personally like the more self-sufficient classes. A part of D&D I really like is exploring the growth in power of a character he they progress in levels. I don't feel like it's really the character that's growing if the items are the most important things on the character sheet. Yeah items are cool, but intrinsic power appeals to me more. Even Elric, freaky little artifact weilding druggie albino that he was, was a seriously powerful sorcerer even without Stormbringer.Two of the classes that really appeal to me from Tome of Magic are the Binder and the Shadowblade PrC. The Binder can adapt his abilites to suit whatever is needed, and if he finds a cool item that covers a normal power he get, he can shift his summons to cover something else. The Shadowblade, while item dependant mechanically, themantically overrides his weapons normal attributes with his own powers. Both strike a nice balance between the coolness of self advancement and the joy of bling.</blockquote>

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