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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9216045" data-attributes="member: 7030563">So I am not sure I understand your point.The Ranger I cited was A LOT different than other &quot;standard&quot; Rangers.&nbsp; The Bladesinger was A LOT different than other &quot;standard&quot; Wizards.&nbsp; I wasn't really comparing those two, but if I did from levels 8-16, the Ranger was using a lot more spell slots for Offense (mostly Cause Fear or Summon Fey) than the Wizard was.&nbsp; The Ranger was more of a caster, the Wizard was more of a Martial.Bladesinger is the most extreme example, but not the only one.&nbsp; My Goblin Enchantment Wizard is in melee range a lot and is not played much like a standard Wizard either.&nbsp; She leans a lot on Nimble Escape to do this, but the point is there is a wide variation of play styles, she makes use of nimble escape and how it compliments Hypnotic Gaze and Booming Blade.I've played a couple Artificers and they did not hold a candle to the Bladesinger in melee, especially at high level.&nbsp; One of them died though, so that may influence or bias my opinion.&nbsp;&nbsp; What the Bladesinger has that an Artificer doesn't is temp hit points and at high level Song of Defense.&nbsp; Artificer gets False Life, but they lack the high level slots to use it as effectively as a Bladesinger.&nbsp; Armorer Artificer also lacks the Shield spell.&nbsp;&nbsp; IME Artificers are comparable in tier 1 and tier 2 but don't keep up after that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9216045, member: 7030563"] So I am not sure I understand your point. The Ranger I cited was A LOT different than other "standard" Rangers. The Bladesinger was A LOT different than other "standard" Wizards. I wasn't really comparing those two, but if I did from levels 8-16, the Ranger was using a lot more spell slots for Offense (mostly Cause Fear or Summon Fey) than the Wizard was. The Ranger was more of a caster, the Wizard was more of a Martial. Bladesinger is the most extreme example, but not the only one. My Goblin Enchantment Wizard is in melee range a lot and is not played much like a standard Wizard either. She leans a lot on Nimble Escape to do this, but the point is there is a wide variation of play styles, she makes use of nimble escape and how it compliments Hypnotic Gaze and Booming Blade. I've played a couple Artificers and they did not hold a candle to the Bladesinger in melee, especially at high level. One of them died though, so that may influence or bias my opinion. What the Bladesinger has that an Artificer doesn't is temp hit points and at high level Song of Defense. Artificer gets False Life, but they lack the high level slots to use it as effectively as a Bladesinger. Armorer Artificer also lacks the Shield spell. IME Artificers are comparable in tier 1 and tier 2 but don't keep up after that. [/QUOTE]

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