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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9232108" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Optional rules absolutly can be used, they are part of the game.Your argument rests on the premise that this "can't" be done RAW .... well it CAN be done, perhaps not at all tables but it absolutely, 100% can be done in some of them.Optional rules exist.  Optional rules are part of 5E and RAW Rangers CAN and ARE built using optional rules.  You don't need to "assume" anything, your argument rests on the idea that Rangers are ALL 80% the same in 5E and if there is one single table your argument is incorrect at then that argument is incorrect.Stating that Rangers are 80% the same in 5E games that don't use optional rules is fundamentally a different argument than stating that Rangers are 80% the same in 5E games, because there are 5E games that use optional rules.This thread is about 5E in totality, not about 5E only in the subset of tables that don't use optional rules.Here are some other points to illustrate this-1. Is it possible to play an Artificer in 5E?  Artificer is an entire optional class.  Does that mean it is correct to state that Artificers don't exist in 5E and people playing 5E can't play an Artificer because you can't assume it is allowed?  No that is factually incorrect.  Artificer is a 5E class and Artificers are played in 5E and despite being an entirely optional class.2. The spells in TCE are all also optional.  So is it correct to say these spells don't exist in 5E?I will also note you have made posts here before about "optional" content including both Artificers and TCE spells.</blockquote>

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