Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is LIVE! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions
Sell Me on OSE
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="overgeeked" data-source="post: 8716726" data-attributes="member: 86653"><p>It all depends on how smart the players are and how smart you play the dragon, but I would say not really no.</p><p></p><p>A red dragon starts with 10** HD for an average of 45 hp. Its breath weapon is a 90’ cone that deals its current hp in damage. A 5th-level fighter will have at most (1d8+3) x 5 hp. So if the fighter rolled less than ~80% of max for hp and fails their save (13 or higher, so 60% to fail)…it’s a one shot kill. If the fighter makes the save (40%), then they’re down by about half from one attack. But going with the average amount of hp a 5th-level fighter would have...yeah, even if they make their save, a round one breath weapon is going to one-shot that fighter. Not to mention all the other characters without that many hp. And that assumes the party starts the fight at full health...which is more than likely not going to happen, making one-shot kills more likely. The dragon can do that 3x per day with diminishing returns due to losing hp as the fight goes on.</p><p></p><p>Unless the dragon is incredibly dumb, it’s going to fly, avoid melee, and spend 3 rounds covering the party in flaming death. Plus it has three attacks at +8 for 1d8 x2 and 4d8. It’s AC20. It also has a 50% chance for 3 1st-, 3 2nd-, and 3 3rd-level spells. Fireball and lightning bolt come to mind. Fireball and lightning bolt in B/X deal 1d6 per caster level. With 10 HD, that’s a 10d6 fireball (average of 35 damage). X3. Plus those 1st- and 2nd-level spells.</p><p></p><p>ETA: And that’s not considering the advice from the Monsters and NPCs section of the books. OSEAF Referee’s Tome, p7. Dragons are smart. They will have guards and traps, etc. That will be an incredibly tough fight for a fresh party of 5th-level characters with it being very likely several of them will die in the first few rounds.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="overgeeked, post: 8716726, member: 86653"] It all depends on how smart the players are and how smart you play the dragon, but I would say not really no. A red dragon starts with 10** HD for an average of 45 hp. Its breath weapon is a 90’ cone that deals its current hp in damage. A 5th-level fighter will have at most (1d8+3) x 5 hp. So if the fighter rolled less than ~80% of max for hp and fails their save (13 or higher, so 60% to fail)…it’s a one shot kill. If the fighter makes the save (40%), then they’re down by about half from one attack. But going with the average amount of hp a 5th-level fighter would have...yeah, even if they make their save, a round one breath weapon is going to one-shot that fighter. Not to mention all the other characters without that many hp. And that assumes the party starts the fight at full health...which is more than likely not going to happen, making one-shot kills more likely. The dragon can do that 3x per day with diminishing returns due to losing hp as the fight goes on. Unless the dragon is incredibly dumb, it’s going to fly, avoid melee, and spend 3 rounds covering the party in flaming death. Plus it has three attacks at +8 for 1d8 x2 and 4d8. It’s AC20. It also has a 50% chance for 3 1st-, 3 2nd-, and 3 3rd-level spells. Fireball and lightning bolt come to mind. Fireball and lightning bolt in B/X deal 1d6 per caster level. With 10 HD, that’s a 10d6 fireball (average of 35 damage). X3. Plus those 1st- and 2nd-level spells. ETA: And that’s not considering the advice from the Monsters and NPCs section of the books. OSEAF Referee’s Tome, p7. Dragons are smart. They will have guards and traps, etc. That will be an incredibly tough fight for a fresh party of 5th-level characters with it being very likely several of them will die in the first few rounds. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions
Sell Me on OSE
Top