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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scurvy_Platypus" data-source="post: 4968987" data-attributes="member: 43283">Drat. You're right. It's in the Final not the Beta. *shrug* So that's a single mark in the Final's favor then (as far as I'm concerned). I still feel the Beta is better.Beta had that option, as well as actually increasing your AC. Which means that my fighter switching over from Beta to Final is losing 3 AC. As a Heavy Armor fellow that's strongly into Str/Con, it means pretty much everything hits him. Hell he's at an AC of 25 right now and getting the crap pounded out of him in Rise of the Runelords. AC dropping to 22 means old grannies with a potato are going to be smacking him.The Fighter is still basically a crap option to pick under the Final rules. I say this as a guy that _plays_ Fighters and refuses to play casters.I don't expect that my opinion is actually going to change the love everyone seems to be filled with for the Final rules. It also won't stop me from saying "Fighters got worse". How could they _not_? It was stated numerous times that the Final rules were going to be _more_ similar to 3.5 than the Beta rules; Beta pumped them up, Final knocks them back. *shrug*</blockquote>