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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ainbimagh" data-source="post: 3251947" data-attributes="member: 48541">Ok well, the 15th wizard was a little sub-op and the wizard does get bonus feats so lets compare a 7 feated wizard versus 4 feated psion, I'll use your psion example who did 365 versatile damage in 40' radius. (albeit the radius isnt that important as the damage is)FeatsWBF: Arcane Thesis: Fireball (-1 per/MM)WBF: Repeat (+3)WBF: Empower Spell (+2)Eschew Materials (+0)Energy Affinity/Substitution: Acid (+0)Twin Spell (+4)Maximize SpellSo then my wizard casts a repeated, empowered, eschewed, acidized, twinned fireball, which thanks to Arcane Thesis is a 7th level spell.  Total modifers +10 (-5 from AT) = +41st Round: 105 (1, 7th level spell)Two 52.5 damage Fireballs (acid damage)2nd Round: 210 (+105=315) (1, 7th level spell)Four 52.5 damage Fireballs (acid damage)3rd Round: 260 (315+261=576)* This round he will cast the same spell, but for the sake of battle lasting only 3 rounds, swap max for repeat.Two 52.5 damage Fireballs (acid damage)Two 77.5 damage Fireballs (acid damage)So this wizard just did 576 points of damage.  In 3 rounds, used 3 spells.  Now this is just ONE example of how min/maxed nova a wizard can get, and I've got a wizard in my current game that can do worse than this.  So if you do comparisons, ask for outside assistance there are much more powerful things than what your discussing if you want *NOVA*.</blockquote>