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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3252646" data-attributes="member: 2011">Excuse me? What's good for the goose is not good for the gander?You listed a VERY SPECIFIC Wizard build with 3 Sudden Maximize feats and that's ok, but it is not ok for me to list a specific (and fairly common) Psion build?Nonsequitor. A 10th level Psion can have a 100% chance of making the roll as well.You consider getting the Psionic Focus nearly every round NOT useful???You have an unusual sense of what is useful.PS. I would take a Single-minded PsiCrystal with +3 to all Concentration rolls and Alertness and other benefits instead of Skill Focus Concentration if I wanted the bonus.Overchannel does not state that other mechanisms to prevent the damage do not work. Some psionic powers (like Empathic Feedback) do that. Overchannel does not. So, Vigor works fine as an Overchannel buffer.As for Vigor being a Standard Action, yes it is. No different than a Wizard casting Mirror Image on round one in order to protect himself and wait to see the most effective use of his other spells.Not all combats consist of all enemies being readily seen on round one every combat. Nor do all combats require a Nova. And sometimes, the PCs even surprise the NPCs. Even without Schism, there are plenty of opportunities to use Vigor in many combats. And, even if a Psion takes Overchannel damage, many Psions can heal themselves after combat. Few Wizards have spells that do this.Nobody said that a Psion was broken in this thread. I claimed that they are the Nova Specialists.Apples and Oranges. Don't put words into other people's mouths.Schism can be done at 9th level by any Psion who takes it.No specific race needed.You misunderstood the comment. Psions do have a manifester level cap on their damage, but Wizards have a specific hard cap.Fireball does 10D6 max. Energy Ball can do 30D6 for a 30th level Psion.Wizard damage spells tend to become obsolete and have to be replaced with higher level spells. Psionic damage powers do not.Wizards are more limited in the number of their higher level spells. A high level Psion can do over 20 of his "highest level" powers.That's over 20 potential Novas per day, not 3 or 4 highest power ones and a bunch of weaker ones like a Wizard.Nope. I've had Psion builds without these feats and still Nova like crazy. This was just an example. And, Nova typically does not need to be done every round. Just in an early round in order to soften up the opposition and let the Fighter types mop up.I was using the original Greater Fireburst from Complete Arcane.Max 15D8 damage. 10 foot radius.Hence the reason I got confused as to why you were not using a 10th level Wizard for your example. We used spells with the same name from different books.Right. Psions out of the box have first level D10 per level damage powers and D6+1 per level Energy damage powers without any feats or PrCs or anything else.Wizards do not.If you want to get extreme with a Wizard, I can get extreme with a Psion.I can have a mid-level Psion do his level * 9+ points of damage to multiple opponents. That's practically a save or die for the vast majority of similar level opponents and if you save, you still take half damage. Most opponents do not have 9 hit points per level, especially before 10th level or so.Yup. I thought you switched caster level on me.Reading is fundamental. You'll notice that I listed it as 3 or 4 feats depending on Discipline.Elan, btw, is a race, not a school. Schism is a power, not a school.It does not make the discussion useless. It means that more detail has to be put into the discussion in order for the larger picture to be observed and understood.I never said that. Again, you put words into my mouth. I think Psionics are great. But, people have to be aware that Psions are Nova specialists (just like Warmages are Nova specialists) and they can disrupt a game if an experience player plays one. The DM should be aware of the potential problems and how to address them (like multiple encounters per day to minimize Nova every single round).Energy Missile is not a spell.It is a power. Even with transparency, I know of no way to make someone immune to that power. Spell Immunity will not do it. If you allowed this, you added a house rule.Plus, it requires a trained only Psicraft roll DC 15 + power level to identify a manifested power. Even if a DM allowed Spell Immunity to work, the Clerics would have to identify the power first. I suspect most Clerics of Orcus in that module do not have the Psicraft skill (in fact, I know they do not since I have run that module).Sure, if you make up house rules, you can neuter a Psion.It sounds like you screwed that player quite a bit. Way to go. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

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