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Message: <blockquote data-quote="raleel" data-source="post: 6409151" data-attributes="member: 21664">While I don't disagree with the concept, it is somewhat important for every class to have their moment in the sun in all the aspects of the game. This is why we have clerics and fighters the way they are now - specifically because we didn't like heal bots and fighters getting outshined by wizards <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Also, could you define "utility" in your view? It gets tossed around a lot and it tends to be "I handle the edge cases", which... well... is that really a role?I don't disagree, particularly on Minor Illusion. The ability to summon a thing that can block line of sight and requires an intelligence based investigation is quite strong. Intelligence tends to be a low stat on monsters, so it's going to hit them particularly hard.Sure. I'm particularly fond of the "spread oil out with an unseen servant and fire bolt it" trick. It should be noted that they scale automatically, not requiring bigger slots.I disagree with you on acid splash - the GM isn't "not being extra picky" there, he's being quite lenient in allowing it to hit objects. The spell specifically calls out creatures. Sure, he might allow it. Heck, as a regular GM I probably would allow it. But that's not RAW by any stretch of the imagination.good. this is the sort of thing that I would like to see. I wouldn't mind it being focused at lower levels, but this is actually quite good still. It gives me hope that it is not bad, just requires a pretty high level of thought. That's ok with me.I think you are correct that they have more versatility potentially, but wizards DO have to have those spells available. Without scrolls and money in the treasure, the wizard is going to lag behind seriously. If you play once a week, get a scroll once a week, and level every 2 weeks, you are JUST matching the cleric's spell selection. Granted, yours may be more versatile and hit a million edge cases, but he does have that whole healing thing that you are missing entirely. It is highly DM dependent at that point, and that never feels very good to a player. You have to have a high level of trust with your DM, and that is not always available, and probably not the best game design.I suppose at this point it is good to remind DMs that your wizard player is very dependent on scrolls/ability to add spells from you. Make sure that he's getting the most bang for his buck - he's paying for his squishiness with versatility, so let him have some.</blockquote>

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