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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6860394" data-attributes="member: 6787650"><p>That's more about Legendary Resistance than Magic Resistance. Magic Resistance can be countered by targeting weak saves. A Balor gets to save against Evard's Black Tentacles at +2, <em>but with advantage!!!</em> Feh. That Balor is still going to get eaten by otherworldly tentacles 64% of the time against DC 19; even more often (about 80%) if there's a Wild Sorcerer on the PC team. Against Wisdom saves like True Polymorph he's got +9, giving him only about a 20% chance to fail (45% if you can force disadvantage via metamagic/Bestow Curse/etc. first)--but the payoff for making him fail is higher because now you own him if you planned it right. E.g. you can turn him into a Mummy Lord, Feeblemind him, and then use Control Undead to take permanent possession before healing the Feeblemind. 20% chance of success is about right for that option--it's still very much worth trying, because balors don't have Legendary Resistance.</p><p></p><p>So it looks to me like it's Legendary Resistance which needs tweaking.</p><p></p><p>One interesting way to do this would be to say that Legendary Resistance is a <em>reaction</em>, used consciously by the monster. Therefore, you can bait the monster into making an opportunity attack and then hit it with the spell, or have multiple spellcasters per turn all hitting it simultaneously--and furthermore, Legendary Resistance would not be usable while incapacitated (e.g. by Tasha's Hideous Laughter). Also, Legendary Resistance would not work while surprised, and would not stack with Counterspelling or Shield.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6860394, member: 6787650"] That's more about Legendary Resistance than Magic Resistance. Magic Resistance can be countered by targeting weak saves. A Balor gets to save against Evard's Black Tentacles at +2, [I]but with advantage!!![/I] Feh. That Balor is still going to get eaten by otherworldly tentacles 64% of the time against DC 19; even more often (about 80%) if there's a Wild Sorcerer on the PC team. Against Wisdom saves like True Polymorph he's got +9, giving him only about a 20% chance to fail (45% if you can force disadvantage via metamagic/Bestow Curse/etc. first)--but the payoff for making him fail is higher because now you own him if you planned it right. E.g. you can turn him into a Mummy Lord, Feeblemind him, and then use Control Undead to take permanent possession before healing the Feeblemind. 20% chance of success is about right for that option--it's still very much worth trying, because balors don't have Legendary Resistance. So it looks to me like it's Legendary Resistance which needs tweaking. One interesting way to do this would be to say that Legendary Resistance is a [I]reaction[/I], used consciously by the monster. Therefore, you can bait the monster into making an opportunity attack and then hit it with the spell, or have multiple spellcasters per turn all hitting it simultaneously--and furthermore, Legendary Resistance would not be usable while incapacitated (e.g. by Tasha's Hideous Laughter). Also, Legendary Resistance would not work while surprised, and would not stack with Counterspelling or Shield. [/QUOTE]
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