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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DM_Blake" data-source="post: 4332423" data-attributes="member: 57267">A bit over the top, don't you think?What's tunneling got to do with the price of tea in China, or the price of magic in 4e?Done and done. But very few charts or tables.Fewer in fact than 4e has.Now you're just being mean.Still being mean.Labeling someone, or their point of view, with a term certain to be taken as an insult, is one of the last refuge of the losing side of a debate.Makes me wonder if you've lost faith in your idol, if 4e isn't the paragon of RPGs for you any more, and if maybe you're trying to convince yourself more than me.No, it's not great. It just makes me sad that D&D has come to this.Far from great.And you're wrong.I've purchased all that 4e has on the market so far, my group is playing KotS. We're using the 3 core books instead of limiting ourselves to the rules provided in KotS.We're also fixing what we don't like and houseruling to our hearts' content. Because we have to, just to make the game playable.So we limp along, padding WotC's pockets with our consumer dollars, and try to fix the system as we go. See my closing statements below.There you go with your term again. Very impolite.I own many game systems, including my homemade system. I've already explained my viewpoint on playing superior game systems with a smaller pool of players, vs. playing inferior game systems with a larger pool of players. You claim to be a fan. Or at the very least, you've seemingly been following my posts for months. So no doubt you've read my viewpoint on this.It disheartens me that the game system with the larges pool of players has taken a leap from being a superior game system (best of both worlds) to being an inferior game system, which now presents me with having no clear "best of both worlds" system to choose.There's that term again. For the third time. You really need to reevaluate your own faith in D&D...Unlike the Peter Jackson critics, I still hold out hope that WotC is listening, or that 3rd party vendors are listening, and that improvements will be forthcoming.Not just listening to me. I'm not that arrogant. But clearly there are many people voicing many concerns here on this board and on others.I hope someone is listening, and preparing to unleash a game system that elevates D&D back to a superior game system. Maybe it will be 4.5e (despite claims that it won't happen). Maybe it will be a 3rd party provider.Whoever it is, I'm hoping they'll listen and respond, and capture a significant portion of the gaming market, of the player pool.This possibility exists.Those poor Peter Jackson critics are not likely to see him, or any 3rd party LotR movie maker, produce a better set of movies. They're wasting their time.I'm hoping that I'm not.</blockquote>

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