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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 463646" data-attributes="member: 3051">Don't get me wrong, I think Bob the Paladin would be more than happy you showed up right then, and I'm sure as a Paladin he'd be sure to pay you your fair price.  (Non-paladins?  Dunno.)That's not the problem.  How would you react if your DM did that to you?  You're up against a monster that's tougher than you can handle, and at the last second a mage pops in and gives you exactly the item you need to win?Would anyone NOT accuse the DM of deus ex machina?  He gives you an encounter you can't possibly win, and then at the exact right time gives you exactly what you need to win.  That sort of thing really takes the fun out of the game.Doktorstick: First of all, Analyze Dweomer requires a 1500 gp focus, not a material component.  You wouldn't charge that amount every time you cast it for someone.One of the long discussions from the House Rule forum has been the inherent suckage of the item detection spells.  If you're in a campaign where people over level 10 are rare, how often will you see Analyze Dweomer?However, by the book, you don't need spells, you can use Appraise.  Sure, they have to succeed at the skill check, and they'll get a result of 70-130% of the right value, but that's enough to tell the Market Price of armor or weapons.So, you can use Appraise to find the total price, Detect Magic to find the number of magical auras, their schools, and their sizes (and remember, according to the DMG, even if it has no prerequisites like a +4 sword, it'll still have one aura).  Aura Sight, from T&B, could probably help too.That, right there, would be enough to get an idea whether the seller was lying or not when he said what type of sword it was.  Usually.Identify (which is free for Psions or Magic-domain Clerics) helps a bit, and Analyze Dweomer helps pinpoint and are NEVER wrong, but by the core rules you don't NEED them to get a rough idea, you can use Appraise.</blockquote>

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