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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dremmen" data-source="post: 2779419" data-attributes="member: 30977">Point taken Shadowslayer. Fullest was not the right word since there are no absolutes and it can't really be quantified. I just meant you can get a heck of a lot more out of that core book if you look and play beyond the mechanics. I've had my share - heck, most of the games I've been a part of I'd call RP-lite to downright munchkin. And don't get me wrong - most of those I had a blast in and remember fondly. But it was those precious rare times where I was in it with a couple of other colorful narrative players and we hit that sync where  we were all in character interacting in a narrative style that lead to immersion and all of the sudden we were all there, each seeing the same surroundings as the others, in the game world behind that fourth wall instead of watching from the audience. And no Grump, no cloves involved. Those two, maybe three times are where I set my bar now, what I want to shoot for with my games. Does that make me a purist? Beats me, I've only seen the word tossed around a handful of times. But if this theoretical purist is about aiming for an entirely narrative run, Amber-eske diceless game, then yeah, maybe I am.An analogy hit me in the middle of this post, when I had to walk the baby around a bit to get her back to sleep - it SO sucks when you have a cold but are not yet old enough to coordinate your finger up your nose so you can get the snot out youself. Poor girl  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> No, that wasn't the analogy. I was thinking of miniatures painting. I'm multifaceted in my geekness so I paint minis. I got a huge big stash of the old fashioned unpainted pewters waiting my attention. Old fashioned when looking at the snazzy new prepainted stuff. I enjoy painting them but still, I take no more than one night to clean and prime the mini, one night to slap a coat of paint, and then on the third seal it. And I'm fine with the outcome. On the other hand I've read all the Games Workshop articles and skimmed the How To webpages where the hardcore miniature painters go over layering the paints with darks and lights and shadowing and etc etc. And they come out with a mini that looks ready to step off its base. When talking about miniature painting I'd say my skill level could mature further, that I'm not reaching the potential of what I could do with the mini. Those other guys put much more time and work into their minis, and theirs are BETTER than mine. And I'm perfectly fine with that becaue I don't want to invest any more time into minis and I am very satisfied with doing it the way I do and the outcomes. I also wouldn't find it fun to spend so much time on them. And if one of those hardcore mini painters said I could be doing better and he felt I should do more, I would understand where he was coming from and respect what he was trying to do. But then I'd ignore him and do it my way. Or if I decided to get into painting minis more seriously, then try his advice.Better than the fishing pole analogy? The fishing pole sparring illustrated a point very clearly. When I figure out what that point was, I'll post it. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh    :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /></blockquote>

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