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Message: <blockquote data-quote="barsoomcore" data-source="post: 2781158" data-attributes="member: 812">A game isn't art, though. It's a game, and it exists in order to entertain (unlike art, which can be argued to exist for half-a-dozen purposes, none quite so clearcut). Its "quality" is determined solely by how well it achieves that purpose. And what is considered entertaining can only be determined by the participants themselves. Noting that wanting a game to resemble art is just one sort of "entertaining" a game could be.Taking art as your example only leads to folly. You're much better off using other games as your example. For example: is hockey an objectively better game than rugby? How could you possibly decide? How would you ever convince a hockey player that rugby is a better game?The problem is that you can arbitrarily select a bunch of criteria and use those to "prove" that one game is better than another. But somebody else can just as arbitrarily select a different set of criteria and come up with a different result. There being an infinite number of potential criteria, we see the difficulty. Sure, you can say that one game is currently more popular than another, but those fashions come and go, which in itself suggests that finding objective criteria is problematic.Not when the conclusion is that one kind of game is better than another. The only meaningful judge of a quality of a game is the amount of fun it generates (where "fun" is defined by the participants alone). So in this case, yes it does. In fact, the only meaningful conclusion to be drawn is whether or not the game was fun, and the only source of that information comes from the participants -- so whether or not they agree is the ONLY thing that matters.How can say to somebody that a game they're enjoying more than yours isn't as good? I mean, honestly, the very idea is silly.Yep. It's called the meme of fun. That's not the problem. The problem is that different people define "fun" in different ways.And you simply CANNOT be wrong about what you consider fun.</blockquote>

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