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<blockquote data-quote="malcolm_n" data-source="post: 5796104" data-attributes="member: 63154">Just to see if I'm understanding this, we're seeing something like, &nbsp;15th level fighter can deal average 90 damage per round. 15th level wizard can dominate said fighter, losing any damage dealt that round, but gaining 90 damage per round in subsequent rounds while also preventing said 90 damage on one of his allies. Sounds like an interesting tradeoff, and I'd like to see at what point in the math that 180 damage swing balances things out. After all, after losing 90 damage the first round, you regain it and also add 90 in the second. So, will the wizard then lose control of the dominated person because the damage is balanced? Or, sorry for the rambling, will he be able to somehow sustain his 180 damage (90 prevented to his party, 90 dealt to enemies)?&nbsp;If the latter is true, how do they then look at the party's fighter to be equivalent? Maybe the rogue gets his 180 straight per round, but only when not dominated? and the cleric can choose to deal 90 + prevent 90 or just straight prevent 180?&nbsp;**EDIT**Thinking on my own here, but they could, conceivably have a fighter able to deal 180 damage, which is then reduced to 90 while dominated (creatures deal half damage, for example).&nbsp; that would give the Wizard's use of Dominate only a swing of 270 because they're preventing 180 and gaining 90.&nbsp; When the fighter does become free again, he goes back to 180 and quickly builds his DPR back up, assuming he's not dead.&nbsp; Anyway, just a thought there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="malcolm_n, post: 5796104, member: 63154"] Just to see if I'm understanding this, we're seeing something like, 15th level fighter can deal average 90 damage per round. 15th level wizard can dominate said fighter, losing any damage dealt that round, but gaining 90 damage per round in subsequent rounds while also preventing said 90 damage on one of his allies. Sounds like an interesting tradeoff, and I'd like to see at what point in the math that 180 damage swing balances things out. After all, after losing 90 damage the first round, you regain it and also add 90 in the second. So, will the wizard then lose control of the dominated person because the damage is balanced? Or, sorry for the rambling, will he be able to somehow sustain his 180 damage (90 prevented to his party, 90 dealt to enemies)? If the latter is true, how do they then look at the party's fighter to be equivalent? Maybe the rogue gets his 180 straight per round, but only when not dominated? and the cleric can choose to deal 90 + prevent 90 or just straight prevent 180? **EDIT** Thinking on my own here, but they could, conceivably have a fighter able to deal 180 damage, which is then reduced to 90 while dominated (creatures deal half damage, for example). that would give the Wizard's use of Dominate only a swing of 270 because they're preventing 180 and gaining 90. When the fighter does become free again, he goes back to 180 and quickly builds his DPR back up, assuming he's not dead. Anyway, just a thought there. [/QUOTE]

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