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Message: <blockquote data-quote="broghammerj" data-source="post: 5797297" data-attributes="member: 1869">I hear what your saying, but I think they designers get it.  I think every spellcasting character will have some base spell attack that does damage at will even if they have a Vancian magic mechanic.  That being said, some of those critical items from 4E drove off a lot of people such as myself.  To me, the at will power seemed very homogenized across classes.  You could have just written a rule that said each PC will have 1 ranged and 1 melee at will attack which does a d6 of damage.  It is up to the PC to describe how that attack is delivered ie arcane bolt, hand ax, force of will, etc.I think you have to take with a grain of salt that Monte knows what 4E did.  This is sort of like the US and Russia trying to figure out how to divide post WWII Berlin.  For you, Monte just happens to be the other guy.</blockquote>