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<blockquote data-quote="Windjammer" data-source="post: 5798881" data-attributes="member: 60075">Wanting saving rolls back is certainly a step in the right direction.Making them static target numbers in 4E (apart from that other 'roll above 10' mechanic which was, misleadingly, called 'saving roll') took away something relatively 'iconic' in the game.Still, like many, many, many other things I found lacking in 4E, little experience with the game makes it dead-easy to port it back into the game. In our games, I use Fort/Reflex/Will save rolls all the time - you simply detract 10 from the PC's saves and you got their modifier on their die roll. So in combat we use the static saves (speeds up play), but for outside-combat stuff we use the 3.x-type saving rolls. It's surprising how a minute change like that brings back something we loved a lot in 3.x. Accumulate these differences, and 4E quickly gets closer to something that 'feels' like the D&amp;D game you played before (since 2000 at least). I'm really curious about the playtest document, because I want to see a change in the design where I don't go 'oh, I don't need an edition change for that - I can port it into my 4e games already, thank you'.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Windjammer, post: 5798881, member: 60075"] Wanting saving rolls back is certainly a step in the right direction. Making them static target numbers in 4E (apart from that other 'roll above 10' mechanic which was, misleadingly, called 'saving roll') took away something relatively 'iconic' in the game. Still, like many, many, many other things I found lacking in 4E, little experience with the game makes it dead-easy to port it back into the game. In our games, I use Fort/Reflex/Will save rolls all the time - you simply detract 10 from the PC's saves and you got their modifier on their die roll. So in combat we use the static saves (speeds up play), but for outside-combat stuff we use the 3.x-type saving rolls. It's surprising how a minute change like that brings back something we loved a lot in 3.x. Accumulate these differences, and 4E quickly gets closer to something that 'feels' like the D&D game you played before (since 2000 at least). I'm really curious about the playtest document, because I want to see a change in the design where I don't go 'oh, I don't need an [I]edition change [/I]for that - I can port it into my 4e games already, thank you'. [/QUOTE]

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