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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5803320" data-attributes="member: 82106">I'm getting tired of this tune though. First of all nobody has demonstrated what the relative popularity of 4e vs any other edition is. All that has been demonstrated is that WotC promised Hasborg that it would make boku big bucks more than any other edition ever did, and it hasn't. So this kind of reasoning is built on a vast and very shaky house of cards.Even if it IS true, which I think to a certain extent it is, extending that logic all across the entirety of 4e to basically say &quot;anything I don't like from 4e must be that unpopular crap&quot; is an EVEN MORE HUGE reach and IMHO rises to point of being just meaningless.So, sorry, &quot;I don't like DB and they're in 4e so they're unpopular crap that should be dropped&quot; is just the worst kind 'reasoning' there is. As for WotC and its marketing my guess is they're quite a lot more sophisticated in their ability to decide what people do and don't like than 4e -&gt; bad, 1e -&gt; good. Which is of course fine and dandy, but in my case 5e isn't really fully usable to us until these races exist because we use them, so the book for them to be in to please me and my gaming buds is the PHB. If they're not in that book, well, we might not buy that book right away. If they're not going to show up at all, I dunno, maybe we'll make our own or maybe we'll just keep playing 4e, which BTW is perfectly popular around here and I could keep running it for years from all indications.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5803320, member: 82106"] I'm getting tired of this tune though. First of all nobody has demonstrated what the relative popularity of 4e vs any other edition is. All that has been demonstrated is that WotC promised Hasborg that it would make boku big bucks more than any other edition ever did, and it hasn't. So this kind of reasoning is built on a vast and very shaky house of cards. Even if it IS true, which I think to a certain extent it is, extending that logic all across the entirety of 4e to basically say "anything I don't like from 4e must be that unpopular crap" is an EVEN MORE HUGE reach and IMHO rises to point of being just meaningless. So, sorry, "I don't like DB and they're in 4e so they're unpopular crap that should be dropped" is just the worst kind 'reasoning' there is. As for WotC and its marketing my guess is they're quite a lot more sophisticated in their ability to decide what people do and don't like than 4e -> bad, 1e -> good. Which is of course fine and dandy, but in my case 5e isn't really fully usable to us until these races exist because we use them, so the book for them to be in to please me and my gaming buds is the PHB. If they're not in that book, well, we might not buy that book right away. If they're not going to show up at all, I dunno, maybe we'll make our own or maybe we'll just keep playing 4e, which BTW is perfectly popular around here and I could keep running it for years from all indications. [/QUOTE]

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