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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5803766" data-attributes="member: 82106">As far as classes go I didn't get any big thrills from the Avenger concept myself either, or even ever seen one played. Some people do apparently like them a lot for their sort of anime big-sword-guy concepts I guess. Obviously not every race is going to make it into the PHB, but notice that gnomes and half-orcs didn't even rate a mention in 2e until a good bit later either, so its not like 4e's racial mix was that odd, they just added a couple of fun new races. I have seen a lot of players seem to like Dragonborn. Tiefling, not so much, but DB would be real nice to keep right off. Basically though 3e and 4e intersect at a set of races that are clearly in. The rest are up for debate, but with 9 races you can have what, human, elf, dwarf, half-elf, halfling, gnome, half-orc, dragonborn, and one other (could be eladrin, but doesn't have to be). Truthfully that doesn't leave a lot of the really basic stuff behind. Clearly there's going to have to be another book with more races pretty fast. There will need to be one with more classes too. They're sure not going to wedge in every good one even if some are turned into themes. 4 editions has a lot of stuff in it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5803766, member: 82106"] As far as classes go I didn't get any big thrills from the Avenger concept myself either, or even ever seen one played. Some people do apparently like them a lot for their sort of anime big-sword-guy concepts I guess. Obviously not every race is going to make it into the PHB, but notice that gnomes and half-orcs didn't even rate a mention in 2e until a good bit later either, so its not like 4e's racial mix was that odd, they just added a couple of fun new races. I have seen a lot of players seem to like Dragonborn. Tiefling, not so much, but DB would be real nice to keep right off. Basically though 3e and 4e intersect at a set of races that are clearly in. The rest are up for debate, but with 9 races you can have what, human, elf, dwarf, half-elf, halfling, gnome, half-orc, dragonborn, and one other (could be eladrin, but doesn't have to be). Truthfully that doesn't leave a lot of the really basic stuff behind. Clearly there's going to have to be another book with more races pretty fast. There will need to be one with more classes too. They're sure not going to wedge in every good one even if some are turned into themes. 4 editions has a lot of stuff in it. [/QUOTE]

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