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<blockquote data-quote="catsclaw227" data-source="post: 5805917" data-attributes="member: 14197">Seriously?&nbsp; No one is spitting in your face.&nbsp; This is the kind of hyperbole that ignites edition wars, and this is something that I hope EVERYONE wants to avoid with this new edition.&nbsp; At least WoTC appears to be trying to avoid it.I like 4e Devas, 4e Dragonborn, 4e Tieflings.&nbsp; Not as enthusiastic about Shardminds or that Treemen race or even Vampires (as a race) or Revenants (as a race).But it's possible we're making too many assumptions about what being a &quot;theme&quot; entails.&nbsp; Maybe they are deeper than 4e themes with more uniqueness and customization.&nbsp; Maybe there are options in each theme you choose between, so you can be a human deva pirate, or an elf deva knight, and as races they might be wildly different or even very similar.This is a reasonable post...&nbsp; We're not going to get everything in the first book and with this in mind, people shouldn't start screaming that WoTC or &quot;Hasborg&quot; has stolen their dog and kicked their cat.&nbsp; With the release of 4e, people went all gnome crazy because they had to wait a few months for the race to be released in a book and the vitriol that was being spewed was utterly classless.Let's hope that people can be patient, or maybe WoTC can release a &quot;back-of-the-napkin&quot; release schedule for races and classes so people can get an idea for when their favorite bits will be released - noting the fact that the release schedule is not set in stone.Or better yet, in our digital age, maybe some get released online first (for playtesting) and then added to a print book later.Yea, my point above is that we really don't know what qualifies as a theme yet.&nbsp; BTW -- even though I liked the 4e deva, I think it can work just fine as a theme.&nbsp; Maybe even subclasses all become themes.&nbsp; Imagine the race &quot;elf&quot; and then there are themes for &quot;drow&quot;, &quot;eladrin&quot;, &quot;wood&quot;, etc...&nbsp; You can do &quot;human&quot; and have themes for &quot;northman&quot;, &quot;easterner&quot;, &quot;desertfolk&quot;.Or even more radical, you can have a race called &quot;beast&quot; and have &quot;hobgoblin&quot;, &quot;bugbear&quot;, &quot;goblin&quot;, &quot;orc&quot; be themes.&nbsp; And a race called &quot;reptilian&quot; and theme it up with &quot;kobold&quot;, &quot;dragonborn&quot;, &quot;lizardman&quot;.&nbsp; (Though, I dunno about whether these can work, or if it would really tick people off...)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="catsclaw227, post: 5805917, member: 14197"] Seriously? No one is spitting in your face. This is the kind of hyperbole that ignites edition wars, and this is something that I hope EVERYONE wants to avoid with this new edition. At least WoTC appears to be trying to avoid it. I like 4e Devas, 4e Dragonborn, 4e Tieflings. Not as enthusiastic about Shardminds or that Treemen race or even Vampires (as a race) or Revenants (as a race). But it's possible we're making too many assumptions about what being a "theme" entails. Maybe they are deeper than 4e themes with more uniqueness and customization. Maybe there are options in each theme you choose between, so you can be a human deva pirate, or an elf deva knight, and as races they might be wildly different or even very similar. This is a reasonable post... We're not going to get everything in the first book and with this in mind, people shouldn't start screaming that WoTC or "Hasborg" has stolen their dog and kicked their cat. With the release of 4e, people went all gnome crazy because they had to wait a few months for the race to be released in a book and the vitriol that was being spewed was utterly classless. Let's hope that people can be patient, or maybe WoTC can release a "back-of-the-napkin" release schedule for races and classes so people can get an idea for when their favorite bits will be released - noting the fact that the release schedule is not set in stone. Or better yet, in our digital age, maybe some get released online first (for playtesting) and then added to a print book later. Yea, my point above is that we really don't know what qualifies as a theme yet. BTW -- even though I liked the 4e deva, I think it can work just fine as a theme. Maybe even subclasses all become themes. Imagine the race "elf" and then there are themes for "drow", "eladrin", "wood", etc... You can do "human" and have themes for "northman", "easterner", "desertfolk". Or even more radical, you can have a race called "beast" and have "hobgoblin", "bugbear", "goblin", "orc" be themes. And a race called "reptilian" and theme it up with "kobold", "dragonborn", "lizardman". (Though, I dunno about whether these can work, or if it would really tick people off...) [/QUOTE]

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