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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5175815" data-attributes="member: 57383">No replies on the Dragonfly Turtle?I don't fancy keeping the 3d4 bite attack so I think I'd go for a number to either side. I like 2d8 for them, since (a) a Dragon Turtle downsized to Large would have a 3d6 bite and (b) I fancy the Dragon Turtles' juvenile growth stages goes something like this in 3E:Hatchling - Small, 1HD, NA +6, Str 8, 1d4 bite, swim speed 10 ft, no fly speed.Juvenile - Medium ,2 HD, NA +8, Str 10, 1d6 bite, swim speed 10 ft, no fly speed.Young - Medium, 4 HD, NA +8, Str 14, 1d8 bite, gain fly speed, no swim speed.Young Adult - Large, 6 HD, NA +10, Str 18, 2d6 bite.Mature Adult - (as below)Oh well, here's a first draft of the stats based on the proposals so far:Dragonfly TurtleLarge Magical Beast Hit Dice: 8d10+24 (68 hp)Initiative: +1Speed: 10 ft. (2 squares), fly 80 ft. (average)Armor Class: 20 (-1 size, +1 Dex, +10 natural), touch 10, flat-footed 19Base Attack/Grapple: +8/+18Attack: Bite +12 melee (2d8+9) Full Attack: Bite +12 melee (2d8+9)Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft.Special Attacks: —Special Qualities: Combustible wings, darkvision 60 ft., low-light vision, scentSaves: Fort +9, Ref +7, Will +2Abilities: Str 22, Dex 12, Con 17, Int 1, Wis 10, Cha 8Skills: 11 pointsFeats: 3 feats plus Hover (B)Environment: Any landOrganization: Solitary or pairChallenge Rating: 5?Treasure: NoneAlignment: Always neutralAdvancement: 9-11 HD (Large), 12-23 HD (Huge), 24-32 HD (Gargantuan)Level Adjustment: —A typical dragonfly turtle weighs about 2000 pounds and is 10 feet long with a shell up to 6 feet across.Combustible Wings (Ex): A dragonfly turtle's four wings are  highly flammable. An opponent with a flaming weapon may make Sunder  attacks against a wings (AC17). If they do 4 or more points of fire  damage in a single hit the wing burns off. A dragonfly turtle which has  lost a single wing cannot fly, but can slow its fall to X feet per round  and land without taking falling damage. A turtle that has lost two or  more wings takes normal falling damage. A dragonfly turtle that fails a Reflex save against an area of effect  fire attack must make an additional Fortitude save at the same DC or  suffer damage to its wings. If it took 5 or more fire damage from the  attack its wings are damaged but it is able to make an erratic but  semi-controlled descent (as if it had lost a single wing), 10 or more  damage and it falls like a stone.</blockquote>

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