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<blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 1535978" data-attributes="member: 8439"><p>Ok, I have to respond to this particular argument from authority on two levels. 1) This is the internet, SB could be a high school kid, you could be her math teacher and I really could be a small black cat (or a mental patient with access to my shrink's computer, who only thinks she's a small black cat). This is no slam against SB, just making it clear that I accept her as an authority on nothing except as she can express herself consistently and give distinct examples, just like the rest of us, and just like I assume I am treated by others.</p><p></p><p>2) An argument from authority is meaningless on a subject that can actually be subjectively experienced. When I (and others on this board) have personally been involved in conversations where we went into it with no suspicions and at no point started trying to activly analyse the other person for inconsistencies or signs of falsehood, but <em>nonetheless</em> came out of the conversation with the strong feeling we were being BSed, (or on a less involved and even more relevant example, asked for directions with no suspicion but got a feeling from the respondant that maybe we ought to verify them cause the townies may be having fun with us) another person's resume does not matter. If the other person tries to tell us, in essence "No one can do the things you have casually expereinced and never thought much of", the response will be "You're wrong." An attempt to bolster the statement with arguments from authority does not help.</p><p></p><p>Any frustration felt by anyone on a messageboard because their opinion or expereicne is not accepted as <strong>truth</strong> by others is entirely self generated. Hopefully SB is not expereincing this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, this IS the rules forum. *shrug* However, in the personal judgement way you are implying, I haven't seen people say that anyway. What has been said with stunning regularity is some variation of "The way you do it I would not enjoy it, or have not enjoyed similar expereinces in the past." or "If you do it that way, I would feel compelled to respond in this way to level the playing field, which would get real old, real fast." And a drop of "Your assumptions about how consistantly and fairly you are able to do what you are trying to do may not be correct." Since the orriginal point of the thread was to discuss which way to use the skill, all of those will be legitamate topics to further the overall thread, and there's no point in taking it personally.</p><p></p><p>Kahuna Burger</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kahuna Burger, post: 1535978, member: 8439"] Ok, I have to respond to this particular argument from authority on two levels. 1) This is the internet, SB could be a high school kid, you could be her math teacher and I really could be a small black cat (or a mental patient with access to my shrink's computer, who only thinks she's a small black cat). This is no slam against SB, just making it clear that I accept her as an authority on nothing except as she can express herself consistently and give distinct examples, just like the rest of us, and just like I assume I am treated by others. 2) An argument from authority is meaningless on a subject that can actually be subjectively experienced. When I (and others on this board) have personally been involved in conversations where we went into it with no suspicions and at no point started trying to activly analyse the other person for inconsistencies or signs of falsehood, but [I]nonetheless[/I] came out of the conversation with the strong feeling we were being BSed, (or on a less involved and even more relevant example, asked for directions with no suspicion but got a feeling from the respondant that maybe we ought to verify them cause the townies may be having fun with us) another person's resume does not matter. If the other person tries to tell us, in essence "No one can do the things you have casually expereinced and never thought much of", the response will be "You're wrong." An attempt to bolster the statement with arguments from authority does not help. Any frustration felt by anyone on a messageboard because their opinion or expereicne is not accepted as [b]truth[/b] by others is entirely self generated. Hopefully SB is not expereincing this. Well, this IS the rules forum. *shrug* However, in the personal judgement way you are implying, I haven't seen people say that anyway. What has been said with stunning regularity is some variation of "The way you do it I would not enjoy it, or have not enjoyed similar expereinces in the past." or "If you do it that way, I would feel compelled to respond in this way to level the playing field, which would get real old, real fast." And a drop of "Your assumptions about how consistantly and fairly you are able to do what you are trying to do may not be correct." Since the orriginal point of the thread was to discuss which way to use the skill, all of those will be legitamate topics to further the overall thread, and there's no point in taking it personally. Kahuna Burger [/QUOTE]
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