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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hammerforge" data-source="post: 2723256" data-attributes="member: 23564"><p>Actually, you and Saeviomagy are both wrong and are jumping to conclusions. I don't care if players get around challenges; in fact, I expect them to do so. But in a game that involves a lot of intrigue, Sense Motive can spoil the fun if every single secret that a NPC is concealing is immediately exposed. But even apart from a campaign that has a lot of intrigue, I still get concerned -- and rightly so -- when I see a skill that is unrealistic and unbalanced, and I still think Sense Motive is both unrealistic and unbalanced and therefore in need of some modification. You can't get inside someone's mind and tell if they're lying or not no matter how good at "reading in between the lines" you are. There have been plenty of times in my life that I thought for sure someone was lying only to find out later that they had been telling me the truth after all. It's just too tricky of a thing to pull off to try to represent it with a die roll -- unless the ability were magical.</p></blockquote><p></p>