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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 4550121" data-attributes="member: 7635">I hate defending rounser, but...Palladium Fantasy is an D&amp;D clone. So is MERP. So is Tunnels &amp; Trolls. The mechancis are different, the implied worlds are different, but I'm still playing elves and wizards fighting orcs for something resembling XP and GP. (Yes, when you get that broad in scope, all fantasy RPGs look like D&amp;D clones. That's the problem when your the originator. In some way, all cars end up being Ford Model T clones, if you catch my drift...)What rounser is saying is IN HIS OPINION 4e has as much to do with D&amp;D as MERPS or T&amp;T or Palladium, except it got the vaunted D&amp;D name on the book cover. If 4e had been sold under the name MONSTER QUEST, it would have run smack against D&amp;D and sold poorly, no matter how much better a system it might have been (histories dust bin is full of RPGs that were &quot;better&quot; than D&amp;D.)Do I agree with him? No. But I see through his righteous fury to his point. Its not really a semantics game, its purely the fact he see's the game as a false successor. There, we are at difference of opinion.To each his own.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 4550121, member: 7635"] I hate defending rounser, but... Palladium Fantasy is an D&D clone. So is MERP. So is Tunnels & Trolls. The mechancis are different, the implied worlds are different, but I'm still playing elves and wizards fighting orcs for something resembling XP and GP. (Yes, when you get that broad in scope, all fantasy RPGs look like D&D clones. That's the problem when your the originator. In some way, all cars end up being Ford Model T clones, if you catch my drift...) What rounser is saying is IN HIS OPINION 4e has as much to do with D&D as MERPS or T&T or Palladium, except it got the vaunted D&D name on the book cover. If 4e had been sold under the name MONSTER QUEST, it would have run smack against D&D and sold poorly, no matter how much better a system it might have been (histories dust bin is full of RPGs that were "better" than D&D.) Do I agree with him? No. But I see through his righteous fury to his point. Its not really a semantics game, its purely the fact he see's the game as a false successor. There, we are at difference of opinion. To each his own. [/QUOTE]

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