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<blockquote data-quote="DanMcS" data-source="post: 1682739" data-attributes="member: 6530">Epee, fencing sabre, and foil are all training weapons.&nbsp; They would do subdual.&nbsp; All are finessable; all are blunt.&nbsp; I'd give an epee about a d3 subdual, and a foil about d2; the epees always seemed to be much thicker, I'd suppose you could poke harder with one.&nbsp; A sabre probably also d2.Epees and foils are stabbing weapons exclusively, you score with the tip.&nbsp; Legal foil targets are mainly the mask and body.&nbsp; Legal epee targets the whole body.&nbsp; Sabres are slashing; you are supposed to score with the front of the blade, and the back 1/3 of the blade nearest the tip.&nbsp; With electronic scoring, the whole blade is electrified, so you can really score with all of the blade.None of the sport-fencing weapons used in modern times would have any worth as a weapon to be used in D&amp;D vs monsters or an armed opponent.&nbsp; If you were facing an unarmed commoner and had removed the safety tip from the epee and sharpened it, I'd allow it as a d3 piercing weapon.A rapier represents any kind of &quot;real&quot; fencing stabbing sword you would want.&nbsp; If you want a &quot;real&quot; sabre, use the rapier stats and call it slashing instead of piercing.&nbsp; That's as good as it's going to get, probably.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DanMcS, post: 1682739, member: 6530"] Epee, fencing sabre, and foil are all training weapons. They would do subdual. All are finessable; all are blunt. I'd give an epee about a d3 subdual, and a foil about d2; the epees always seemed to be much thicker, I'd suppose you could poke harder with one. A sabre probably also d2. Epees and foils are stabbing weapons exclusively, you score with the tip. Legal foil targets are mainly the mask and body. Legal epee targets the whole body. Sabres are slashing; you are supposed to score with the front of the blade, and the back 1/3 of the blade nearest the tip. With electronic scoring, the whole blade is electrified, so you can really score with all of the blade. None of the sport-fencing weapons used in modern times would have any worth as a weapon to be used in D&D vs monsters or an armed opponent. If you were facing an unarmed commoner and had removed the safety tip from the epee and sharpened it, I'd allow it as a d3 piercing weapon. A rapier represents any kind of "real" fencing stabbing sword you would want. If you want a "real" sabre, use the rapier stats and call it slashing instead of piercing. That's as good as it's going to get, probably. [/QUOTE]

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